[ElmerFudd79]

Originally Posted by TurtleBoy

BMW doesn't make a 4.0i, it is a 40i.

Not sure what the Metro DC's counties have anything to do with the different markets between the 50e and the 40i. There is no comparison between the availability of them, hence a different discounting structure.

It's an obvious typo so comment is not needed. 50E is nothing special. Discounting structure could be better given no more federal rebates, the fact plug in cars are not as popular and that the 50E is actually less efficient than the 40i while using just petrol. Scientifically, battery does not do much other than more HP while there is a charge. Personally, Id rather ditch the battery and get a V8 if the extra HP mattered.

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by ElmerFudd79

It's an obvious typo so comment is not needed. 50E is nothing special and if anything, discounting structure could be better given no more federal rebates and the fact electric is not as popular.

Dishonesty does not become you, it is fine to make mistakes. You typed 4.0i in a number of threads as well as your signature.

As I said in the other thread, you are just showing your ignorance by making those statements. You have no clue as to the 50e market.

People belong to and come to this forum to get accurate information. As you have experienced, when someone posts incorrect/misleading information it will be corrected by members.

[ElmerFudd79]

Originally Posted by TurtleBoy

Dishonesty does not become you, it is fine to make mistakes. You typed 4.0i in a number of threads as well as your signature.

As I said in the other thread, you are just showing your ignorance by making those statements. You have no clue as to the 50e market.

People belong to and come to this forum to get accurate information. As you have experienced, when someone posts incorrect/misleading information it will be corrected by members.

No dishonesty, just a typo.

You're wrong on markets. The facts are that there are plenty of folks getting great discounts on the 50E as well given it's still an X5. It appears your posts are misleading so I will correct with facts at:

7% discount:
https://www.reddit.com/r/BMW/comment...24_x5_50e_got/

10% discount when is was less of a buyers market:
https://forum.leasehackr.com/t/deal-...price/516375/4

9% discount:
https://www.reddit.com/r/BMWX5/comme..._the_50e_2025/

Just google for a running list.

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by ElmerFudd79

No dishonesty, just a typo.

You're wrong on markets. The facts are that there are plenty of folks getting great discounts on the 50E as well given it's still an X5. It appears your posts are misleading so I will correct with facts at:

7% discount:
https://www.reddit.com/r/BMW/comment...24_x5_50e_got/

10% discount when is was less of a buyers market:
https://forum.leasehackr.com/t/deal-...price/516375/4

9% discount:
https://www.reddit.com/r/BMWX5/comme..._the_50e_2025/

Just google for a running list.

Made at least 4 times.

You continue to show that you have no idea what you are talking about. The first two links have no bearing on the current market and the last goes against your position, thanks for helping me show people you don't know the 50e market.

[ElmerFudd79]

Originally Posted by TurtleBoy

You continue to show that you have no idea what you are talking about. The first two links have no bearing on the current market and the last goes against your position, thanks for helping me show people you don't know the 50e market.

Your facts are wrong and to me, you're nothing more than a raging online bully. Below is data from actual car sales in my area. Note there have been sales for discounts above 8% off MSRP just like the 40i.



If you read the original links, you will see people got great discounts on the 50e. The last link does substantiate that it appears the 50e is having battery issues.

[johnonroad]

Originally Posted by ElmerFudd79

Your facts are wrong and to me, you're nothing more than a raging online bully. Below is data from actual car sales in my area. Note there have been sales for discounts above 8% off MSRP just like the 40i.

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If you read the original links, you will see people got great discounts on the 50e. The last link does substantiate that it appears the 50e is having battery issues.

Your first 2 links are a few months old. Have you checked with your own dealer to see how many 50e they have on the lot? Using BMW's site will show there just aren't any available. For buyer's today, you can't even test drive one.

Back in December, you could get a reasonable discount if you shopped around or used a broker but that was before the supply chain shortage and the change over to MY25 this month. People who ordered in Dec/Jan, are still waiting for their 50e.

Your last link says just the opposite, MSRP only. Right now demand overwhelms supply.

BTW TurtleBoy has been a great resource to everyone on this forum. His facts are not wrong.

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by ElmerFudd79

Your facts are wrong and to me, you're nothing more than a raging online bully. Below is data from actual car sales in my area. Note there have been sales for discounts above 8% off MSRP just like the 40i.

If you read the original links, you will see people got great discounts on the 50e. The last link does substantiate that it appears the 50e is having battery issues.

I'm sure I'm just wasting my breath (fingers) but for your own sake, just take a step back and do a little research both on this forum and others. You will see that the marker for the 50e is totally different than any of the other X5 models. From the end of December to end of March, production for the US was severely limited. Since the end of March, there have been zero 50e's made for the US. Using a basic concept of economics, that would translate into higher pricing/less discounting. Just take a look around this forum and you will see that is the case.

[Dagtan]

Originally Posted by johnonroad

Your first 2 links are a few months old. Have you checked with your own dealer to see how many 50e they have on the lot? Using BMW's site will show there just aren't any available. For buyer's today, you can't even test drive one.

Back in December, you could get a reasonable discount if you shopped around or used a broker but that was before the supply chain shortage and the change over to MY25 this month. People who ordered in Dec/Jan, are still waiting for their 50e.

Your last link says just the opposite, MSRP only. Right now demand overwhelms supply.

BTW TurtleBoy has been a great resource to everyone on this forum. His facts are not wrong.

I bought mine back in December, it was a June build - I got 6% off and this was considered a great deal. I am not sure people can get 6% these days, there are no 50e on the market. The car had to have the valve replaced at 1200 miles - it is at 7000 now and no issues. I push the thing hard, because that's where the car likes to be, lol. 9% I don't think is realistic. Finally, trutleboy was very helpful when I was negotiating with my dealer. One, last piece, when I went to get the paperwork done for the car, there was another family there waiting to see if I was going to show up, ready to buy the car. It was insane, they stayed until 6pm waiting to see if I was going to get the car, not normal. They offered more, but I appreciate that the dealer kept their word with me.

[ElmerFudd79]

Originally Posted by johnonroad

Your first 2 links are a few months old. Have you checked with your own dealer to see how many 50e they have on the lot? Using BMW's site will show there just aren't any available. For buyer's today, you can't even test drive one.

Back in December, you could get a reasonable discount if you shopped around or used a broker but that was before the supply chain shortage and the change over to MY25 this month. People who ordered in Dec/Jan, are still waiting for their 50e.

Your last link says just the opposite, MSRP only. Right now demand overwhelms supply.

BTW TurtleBoy has been a great resource to everyone on this forum. His facts are not wrong.

All I'm saying is its worth a try to get a good discount. The true data reports under Navy Fed have been accurate for me as the discount closely tracked empirical max dealer discounts from what I observed. The report above shows good local discounts on MY 2025 50E's. I don't fully buy supply / demand rationale as I personally got a better deal on a fairly loaded 2025 X5 40i than a left over 2024 on the lot. That dealer had 30+ 2024 X5's in inventory but no 2025's.

I have read in multiple forums that BMW was having issues with the PHEV's so that could explain why there is not a lot in inventory until they sort things out. Personally, I'd either wait on the 50e until later in the summer or buy the mild instead hybrid now. There was a time after the new legislation which killed the BMW federal PHEV credit that BMW was offering an additional $2,500 off to get folks to buy them (its in a forum).

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by ElmerFudd79

All I'm saying is its worth a try to get a good discount. The true data reports under Navy Fed have been accurate for me as the discount closely tracked empirical max dealer discounts from what I observed. The report above shows good local discounts on MY 2025 50E's. I don't fully buy supply / demand rationale as I personally got a better deal on a fairly loaded 2025 X5 40i than a left over 2024 on the lot. That dealer had 30+ 2024 X5's in inventory but no 2025's.

I have read in multiple forums that BMW was having issues with the PHEV's so that could explain why there is not a lot in inventory until they sort things out. Personally, I'd either wait on the 50e until later in the summer or buy the mild instead hybrid now. There was a time after the new legislation which killed the BMW federal PHEV credit that BMW was offering an additional $2,500 off to get folks to buy them (it's in a forum).

Wow, you must just sit around and make things. Why not take some time and do some research prior to posting nonsense. It has been mentioned a number of times in responses to you and threads you are in why there is a shortage. You won't learn if you don't read.

As far as your report goes, it is 100% false and useless. If you would have done any research at all or at least read what was posted, you would realize that ZERO MY25 50e's were produced prior to yesterday. Given that, can you explain how that report can show sales of vehicles that don't exist?

[BMW012]

Originally Posted by ElmerFudd79

All I'm saying is its worth a try to get a good discount. The true data reports under Navy Fed have been accurate for me as the discount closely tracked empirical max dealer discounts from what I observed. The report above shows good local discounts on MY 2025 50E's. I don't fully buy supply / demand rationale as I personally got a better deal on a fairly loaded 2025 X5 40i than a left over 2024 on the lot. That dealer had 30+ 2024 X5's in inventory but no 2025's.

I have read in multiple forums that BMW was having issues with the PHEV's so that could explain why there is not a lot in inventory until they sort things out. Personally, I'd either wait on the 50e until later in the summer or buy the mild instead hybrid now. There was a time after the new legislation which killed the BMW federal PHEV credit that BMW was offering an additional $2,500 off to get folks to buy them (its in a forum).

no need to waste your energy going back and forth with turtleboy. just ask your dealer(s) that you have worked with to get your deal and ask them what discount you can get on a 50e. and just show/prove it here. no need to argue. its as simple as that. I am betting $5 you can get a great deal

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by BMW012

no need to waste your energy going back and forth with turtleboy. just ask your dealer(s) that you have worked with to get your deal and ask them what discount you can get on a 50e. and just show/prove it here. no need to argue. its as simple as that. I am betting $5 you can get a great deal

He is not in the market for a 50e but also no need for him to show his deal as we really don't care about a single deal. This all started by him saying that there is zero difference between the market for the 40i and the 50e. Obviously that is ludicrous but rather than acting like a person who wants to learn he insists he is correct and keeps posting crap that means nothing to the discussion. At this point it is just entertainment to see what he comes up with next. Some folks just like making themselves look like a fool no matter how much people try to keep them from doing it.

[cgukevin]

I'm in central NJ. Here is my experience ordering a 50e recently.

I have asked 5 dealers within 40min radius.

The closest one that I leased '18 40e from only knocked down a few hundred as a courtesy because I am a returning customer. Otherwise, they would not budge at all.

The one that I order '18 M2 from was not willing to offer any discount, and said I would be 7th in the line and could expect delivery in Q3 or Q4.

The 3rd one did not reply to me.

The 4th one offered $2.5k off, but charged a lot miscellaneous fees, September delivery.

I went with the last one, who offered $2k off, charged normal fees, OTD less than the 4th one, and more importantly June delivery.

[shed]

I got 4k off in the bay area in a 2025 50e that I ordered as a 2025, ie not a 2024 order that converted. The order just went in last week when they got allocation.

Fwiw the two other dealers I contacted didn't even bother replying or quoting which I took as sign of tight demand and that I was unlikely to get much more. Quite frankly I was surprised I got much discount at all.

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by shed

I got 4k off in the bay area in a 2025 50e that I ordered as a 2025, ie not a 2024 order that converted. The order just went in last week when they got allocation.

Fwiw the two other dealers I contacted didn't even bother replying or quoting which I took as sign of tight demand and that I was unlikely to get much more. Quite frankly I was surprised I got much discount at all.

You did well. It seems the SF area has become the highest discounting area in the country. We have seen come double digit discounting on the 40i in the past few months.

[shed]

Originally Posted by TurtleBoy

You did well. It seems the SF area has become the highest discounting area in the country. We have seen come double digit discounting on the 40i in the past few months.

I'm somewhat surprised TB, because bmws are very popular here, and lots of people here want to be seen as environmentally friendly which would make the 50e popular.

That said there are about 10 dealers within 60 miles of each other so perhaps that drives the competition.

[Ginger Jay]

I just had a local dealer reach out to me that they had a 50e allocation open up. I wonder if other dealers are getting them too

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by Ginger Jay

I just had a local dealer reach out to me that they had a 50e allocation open up. I wonder if other dealers are getting them too

They were issued last week, all dealers get the allocations at the same time.

[BMW012]

Originally Posted by TurtleBoy

He is not in the market for a 50e but also no need for him to show his deal as we really don't care about a single deal. This all started by him saying that there is zero difference between the market for the 40i and the 50e. Obviously that is ludicrous but rather than acting like a person who wants to learn he insists he is correct and keeps posting crap that means nothing to the discussion. At this point it is just entertainment to see what he comes up with next. Some folks just like making themselves look like a fool no matter how much people try to keep them from doing it.

yepp, i just want him to go see for himself how it really is. as then there would be no argument at all.

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by BMW012

yepp, i just want him to go see for himself how it really is. as then there would be no argument at all.

Gotcha, was sure if that was what you were driving at or not.

[blockhead25]

Originally Posted by ElmerFudd79

All I'm saying is its worth a try to get a good discount. The true data reports under Navy Fed have been accurate for me as the discount closely tracked empirical max dealer discounts from what I observed. The report above shows good local discounts on MY 2025 50E's. I don't fully buy supply / demand rationale as I personally got a better deal on a fairly loaded 2025 X5 40i than a left over 2024 on the lot. That dealer had 30+ 2024 X5's in inventory but no 2025's.

I have read in multiple forums that BMW was having issues with the PHEV's so that could explain why there is not a lot in inventory until they sort things out. Personally, I'd either wait on the 50e until later in the summer or buy the mild instead hybrid now. There was a time after the new legislation which killed the BMW federal PHEV credit that BMW was offering an additional $2,500 off to get folks to buy them (its in a forum).

I too got a good deal on a 2025 custom build X5 40i as dealer clearly wanted to get someone to take their allocation. But, you just aren’t making any sense whatsoever on implying that has anything to do with a 50e and you are just making up stuff as you go. I am a new member here and look for accurate information and advice and reading through your comments just frustrates me that there are people that feel the need to prove themselves by posting one false bit of information after the next rather than just removing themselves or apologizing when proven wrong.