[mvgossman]

See the excerpt from a BMW website regarding the range for the 2024 BMW X5 xDrive50e electrified model.

With the gas prices and electric prices here where I live, it's a marginal dollar benefit for miles per dollar when running in all electric mode.

It says range is 569 with a full 21.9 gallon all-gas X5. But with the plugin hybrid model, even with the smaller gas capacity of 18.2 gallons, it claims 900 mile range!!!

Obviously they haven't found a perpetual motion machine, the gas engine charging the electric battery would do nothing to improve range, so the only way this claim could be true would be if there's regeneration of electricity from braking or coasting driving a generator.

When I drive my 2021 X5 all-gas model, it's always providing power to maintain highway speed, except on extreme downhill areas which means there's little opportunity to generate electricity, and also when driving highway you're not applying brakes.

So how can 900 miles be a realistic range? If true, I'd run to get one of these hybrids!

[jad03060]

The 900 mile range is way out of whack. It may end up being close to the ICE's range, but both are very much dependent on how you actually drive it and where.

I've gotten over 500-miles on my 45e on long trips more than once and that was with the cruise set at about 75-mph most of the way...not bad, IMHO.

[apw2607]

Originally Posted by mvgossman

See the excerpt from a BMW website regarding the range for the 2024 BMW X5 xDrive50e electrified model.

With the gas prices and electric prices here where I live, it's a marginal dollar benefit for miles per dollar when running in all electric mode.

It says range is 569 with a full 21.9 gallon all-gas X5. But with the plugin hybrid model, even with the smaller gas capacity of 18.2 gallons, it claims 900 mile range!!!

Obviously they haven't found a perpetual motion machine, the gas engine charging the electric battery would do nothing to improve range, so the only way this claim could be true would be if there's regeneration of electricity from braking or coasting driving a generator.

When I drive my 2021 X5 all-gas model, it's always providing power to maintain highway speed, except on extreme downhill areas which means there's little opportunity to generate electricity, and also when driving highway you're not applying brakes.

So how can 900 miles be a realistic range? If true, I'd run to get one of these hybrids!

I dunno where you got that screenshot but BMW USA made it crystal clear on their website.

[mrpdaemon]

On my 50e with very conservative driving I've gotten 2.7 mi/Kwh (~50 miles) on electric and 28 mpg (~500 miles) on gas so I think the best case range of the car is ~550 miles in average conditions.

[eelnoraa]

Originally Posted by mrpdaemon

On my 50e with very conservative driving I've gotten 2.7 mi/Kwh (~50 miles) on electric and 28 mpg (~500 miles) on gas so I think the best case range of the car is ~550 miles in average conditions.

Can you share “since factory” trip computer screen?

[mvgossman]

Here's the link where I found this, I'd put more stock in the link above with the more realistic figure. I emailed bmwgenius about this, will see what they say, maybe they'll crack down on this website's claim.

https://www.bmwofarlington.com/bmw-x...ndly%20commute.

[mvgossman]

Originally Posted by jad03060

The 900 mile range is way out of whack. It may end up being close to the ICE's range, but both are very much dependent on how you actually drive it and where.

I've gotten over 500-miles on my 45e on long trips more than once and that was with the cruise set at about 75-mph most of the way...not bad, IMHO.

How do you like the pure electric mode for grocery runs etc?

I'll have to run the miles/dollar for the all gas and pure electric modes given my prevailing $2.99/gallon here, and the $/kWH to see if it's worthwhile.

I'm going to do a test drive soon, but previously the only plugin hybrid I drove was the Volvo's SUV in 2020. They boasted about the all-electric mode, I think they called it "Pure". I did the test drive, and immediately noted that if you exceed an acceleration about the amount that a cautious 90 year old driver on an icy road would use, it would kick in the gas engine. WORTHLESS. I'm told by a 50e owner friend that it's nothing like that, requires a very deliberate acceleration to call in the gas motor.

[eelnoraa]

Originally Posted by mvgossman

Here's the link where I found this, I'd put more stock in the link above with the more realistic figure. I emailed bmwgenius about this, will see what they say, maybe they'll crack down on this website's claim.

https://www.bmwofarlington.com/bmw-x...dly%20commute.

This is dealer website, not a bmw website. Lots of misinformed and misleading info. 900 mile range!!! Ask them, if car cannot do 900, hack even 800, or even 600, will they give it to you one for free? 🤣

[jad03060]

If you put it in electric mode, you have to exceed about 87-mph or push the accelerator beyond the detent at the bottom to engage the ICE. In hybrid mode, it will engage the ICE much sooner. Around town, even with the lower HP on the 45e, it's easy to lead traffic if you wish and to 50e should be even more spirited. Instant torque from standstill is addictive.

As to which is more economical, your local rates will determine that. As to environmentally, EV mode will usually end up better unless your utility uses say coal-fired boilers. Most these days provide at least some green energy.

[jkramerXXX7]

I average around 500-550 combined electric and ICE depending on my driving habits.

[FastMarkA]

Originally Posted by mvgossman

I'm told by a 50e owner friend that it's nothing like that, requires a very deliberate acceleration to call in the gas motor.

It's true; the 50e's electric is nothing like the 2020 Volvos.

My 50e has 2,241 miles on it, and only 882 had the ICE running.

[rexus300]

If I charge every night and full tank of gas, I get 850 miles on that same tank before I fill it up again. I think that's what they are getting at. Technically it's half gas and electric on that same tank.

I got 540 miles total with only charging once on a long road trip

[TexAg91]

Originally Posted by mvgossman

See the excerpt from a BMW website regarding the range for the 2024 BMW X5 xDrive50e electrified model.

With the gas prices and electric prices here where I live, it's a marginal dollar benefit for miles per dollar when running in all electric mode.

It says range is 569 with a full 21.9 gallon all-gas X5. But with the plugin hybrid model, even with the smaller gas capacity of 18.2 gallons, it claims 900 mile range!!!

Obviously they haven't found a perpetual motion machine, the gas engine charging the electric battery would do nothing to improve range, so the only way this claim could be true would be if there's regeneration of electricity from braking or coasting driving a generator.

When I drive my 2021 X5 all-gas model, it's always providing power to maintain highway speed, except on extreme downhill areas which means there's little opportunity to generate electricity, and also when driving highway you're not applying brakes.

So how can 900 miles be a realistic range? If true, I'd run to get one of these hybrids!

Yes, that is a complete misunderstanding of the MPGe value on the window sticker. You can read about how it's calculated here


The X5 xDrive50e has an MPGe value of Approximately 52 MPGe (I believe). So it looks like the dealership used that value times the fuel capacity to say it has a range is 900 miles (52 x 18.3) = 946 miles.

That's a clear misunderstanding of the MPGe value. That said, if you charge the battery every night, and depending how many miles you drive each day, you may be able to go 900 miles or more on a single tank of gas...but not on a road trip. It depends entirely on how you drive it -- your real world results will vary.

The EPA test for PHEV's is quite complicated, and uses a standardized test to compare different PHEV's driven exactly the same way to determine their efficiency. There are 5 different standardized test schedules/profiles based on data collected (statistics) for a "typical American driver) and these standardized test schedules/profiles are used to calculate the City, Hwy, and Combined MPG values. You can read about the test schedules here.

For PHEV's, they do each of the 5 driving schedules with a fully charged battery, and then repeat the 5 tests with a depleted battery. They then use fuel and electricity consumed to calculate the MPGe value. If the gas engine runs during the "full battery test loops", that consumption is taken into account in addition to the electricity consumed from the battery. For reference, 1 gallon of gas = 33.7 KWh or energy.

[chrisado]

Either that or they pulled that from Canada or Europe and it is 900km which is 559 miles

[aaaaaaaaaz]

Originally Posted by chrisado

Either that or they pulled that from Canada or Europe and it is 900km which is 559 miles

559 miles sounds like a bit of stretch… on a perfect condition but possible. 500 is very doable with a full tank of gas plus full battery