Buug959 wrote

Careful what you say. My mother was a nurse and my father was a sailor.

Murf the Surf wrote

I'll let you ask your dad then.

sygazelle wrote

Mr Clan,

Once more, thanks for the hundreds of posts you've made here to give us non-leo people a much better perspective of the job you do.

I've been seeing some reels on The Facebook where lawyers talk about what to do and not do if you are pulled over by an officer. They say to give them license, registration, and proof of insurance, but don't answer any questions like, "where are you coming from?", "do you know why I stopped you?", "How fast were you going?", etc. The advice on these lawyer reels is just say that you don't have to answer any questions.

My question to you: What advice would you give to one of your own family members, close friends, or heck, even your fellow forum members here on this topic with regarding what to say/not say, do/not do if pulled over.

Sedan_Clan wrote

Any time! I enjoy the dialogue and hope that the discussions here help people in their interactions with law enforcement.

I implore people to disregard most of the online legal advice. Most of the advice given will escalate the situation and isn’t entirely helpful. Generally speaking, simple questions about where you’re coming from or where you’re going aren’t questions that anybody should be alarmed about. Questions about your speed, etc. are intended to determine if you’ll lie to us (…we already know the answer to the question) or if you’ll take accountability for the negligence. It could mean the difference between a warning and a citation. My advice is simple: be respectful, take accountability, ask for leniency and don’t engage in behavior that will escalate roadside interactions.

vreihen16 wrote

^^^^^ TikTok lawyers!!!!! ^^^^^

Digits630 wrote

Ok so new member and long post, but I cant get a straight answer anywhere else...

So, divorced from wife. Had a female friend over a few months ago. My ex was caught on camera driving by, stopping just long enough behind my friends car to get her license plate number. The next day she was making social media posts about my friend. No other way she'd know her name unless she had LE run the plate for her. We reported to local police and it was confirmed "someone" ran the plate and it was kicked up to state police who handle that kind of stuff. From my background I know disseminating plate/CJIAS info to the public is a huge no no and can result in officer being fired and/or charged criminally. We hadn't heard anything for a few months until a state trooper called saying he was handling the administrative side and the officers privileges have been suspended. He said another unit handles the criminal side. So my question, how likely is the officer to be fired and charged? Any chances of charges against my ex? This is in PA BTW and I know the state police take this seriously

Sedan_Clan wrote

It is something taken very seriously, especially when done for nefarious and/or unscrupulous reasons. It is likely he’ll receive many days off or he could be relieved of duty. There are a lot of factors that will come into play (…e.g. time on the department, disciplinary history, etc.). Whether or not the officer is criminally charged will depend because there are tiers to discipline on most departments. On my department, for example, discipline is handled by Internal Affairs and the Internal Criminal Investigations Bureau; if the former handles it, termination is off the table, but if the latter handles it, termination is definitely on the table AND criminal charges could be filed. Your ex could sue him civilly.

Digits630 wrote

Thank you. Im hoping something is done. I may have worded it wrong but my ex is the one that got him to run the plates, so she wouldnt be suing him. With that said he clearly knew doing that and giving her the information was wrong and very illegal. Can she also be charged? I was thinking possibly criminal solicitation or conspiracy? I know it could be a weak case but one can hope

Sedan_Clan wrote

She didn’t necessarily commit a crime by asking, and the criminal elements of conspiracy haven’t been proven/met unfortunately.

We don’t know how that conversation between your ex and the officer went down. We can assume and speculate, but there’s not enough evidence to support conspiracy. For example, she might’ve just said to him, “This car with plate number ABC123 followed me home and I don’t recognize it nor the driver. Can you check to see who it is because it really frightened me.” The officer, taking a more protective position might’ve checked and provided her information. He still shouldn’t have done it, but I would be lying if I said people in law enforcement haven’t done that for friends and family during their careers. It’s not something you’d do casually, but if it’s somebody close to you, I’m certain you would.

Digits630 wrote

Not saying I want my ex jammed up but it wouldn't hurt my feelings either. I do want the cop punished though. Also. She suddenly deleted all her social media after this happened and she was contacted by the police

Digits630 wrote

Oh I get that. But with LPRs everywhere they'd know thats a lie. Not saying I want my ex jammed up but it wouldn't hurt my feelings either. I do want the cop punished though. Also. She suddenly deleted all her social media after this happened and she was contacted by the police

Digits630 wrote

Ok so new member and long post, but I cant get a straight answer anywhere else...

So, divorced from wife. Had a female friend over a few months ago. My ex was caught on camera driving by, stopping just long enough behind my friends car to get her license plate number. The next day she was making social media posts about my friend. No other way she'd know her name unless she had LE run the plate for her. We reported to local police and it was confirmed "someone" ran the plate and it was kicked up to state police who handle that kind of stuff. From my background I know disseminating plate/CJIAS info to the public is a huge no no and can result in officer being fired and/or charged criminally. We hadn't heard anything for a few months until a state trooper called saying he was handling the administrative side and the officers privileges have been suspended. He said another unit handles the criminal side. So my question, how likely is the officer to be fired and charged? Any chances of charges against my ex? This is in PA BTW and I know the state police take this seriously

RockCrusher wrote

To obtain the info your ex apparently obtained about your new GF doesn't require a LEO to run a plate.

There are web sites where if you supply a license plate all sort of info are provided. The info/data apparently comes from public databases.

I just searched using: "license plate search web site" (without the quotes) and got a number of hits. I don't recall which web site I used before but you can enter your license plate number at the web sites and see what you get.

UncleWede wrote

They already KNOW someone ran that plate thru the CJI network, every request is tracked.

UncleWede wrote

They already KNOW someone ran that plate thru the CJI network, every request is tracked.

Digits630 wrote

That is exactly what they confirmed. On that day, she rolled up, stopped just long enough to get the plate then within 24 hours was posting on SM their name. No other way of knowing. Called police and filed a report and they confirmed an officer ran the plate in that time frame. Kicked it up to state police and told us his access privilegs had been suspended and investigation was ongoing. Hoping for some sweet justice from this.

Sedan_Clan wrote

I’m hoping for clarity and transparency, and if “justice” is necessary, that too. I refuse to makes assumptions about the officer’s motives because, like I mentioned earlier, it is not uncommon for someone in law enforcement to run a cursory search for a close friend or family member depending on the totality of the circumstances, and we don’t know the specifics surrounding that conversation. There is a significant difference between, “Hey Mr. LEO friend, my ex is dating some stupid chick. Can you run her plate for me so I can find out who she is?” and “Hey Mr. LEO friend. This car followed me home and then parked outside of my place for 20 minutes. It was really weird and now I’m afraid. Can you check the plate to see who it was?” For all we know, he might’ve run the license plate and simply asked your ex if she knew a [enter name here].

So let’s wait and see what the investigation reveals and look at all of the facts before we start vilifying the officer as being complicit in something unlawful.

Sedan_Clan wrote

I’m hoping for clarity and transparency, and if “justice” is necessary, that too. I refuse to makes assumptions about the officer’s motives because, like I mentioned earlier, it is not uncommon for someone in law enforcement to run a cursory search for a close friend or family member depending on the totality of the circumstances, and we don’t know the specifics surrounding that conversation. There is a significant difference between, “Hey Mr. LEO friend, my ex is dating some stupid chick. Can you run her plate for me so I can find out who she is?” and “Hey Mr. LEO friend. This car followed me home and then parked outside of my place for 20 minutes. It was really weird and now I’m afraid. Can you check the plate to see who it was?” For all we know, he might’ve run the license plate and simply asked your ex if she knew a [enter name here].

So let’s wait and see what the investigation reveals and look at all of the facts before we start vilifying the officer as being complicit in something unlawful.