No one wroteThe best selling car in China is the Geely Galaxy Xingyuan.They need narrow headlights to appeal to that public.
Car-Addicted wroteGood to see you still have the fight in you. Keep polishing that Z4 Coupe, I may add on to the garage some day.
ZTK_M240i wroteExcept this car would never start at 60K. Add about 15-20K for the base and then a few options, and it's a 90K car.HELL YES. Turbo 4 from the Cayman, 6 speed manual, RWD, starting under $60k. I'd be in...
tracksidemanner wroteThen it wouldn't work and that wouldn't even make sense. As the Cayman starts around $75K.Except this car would never start at 60K. Add about 15-20K for the base and then a few options, and it's a 90K car.
ZTK_M240i wroteSo a RWD/Manual Audi? Maybe with correct engine placement behind the front axle for a change...Then it wouldn't work and that wouldn't even make sense. As the Cayman starts around $75K.
This car if it happened would need to come in a nice chunk below the Cayman or what would the point be?
freakystyly wroteWith Toyota rumored to want to go independent from Subaru on the 3rd gen GR86, Porsche could donate its turbo 2.0 H4 to the Subaru BRZ to get its fun and cheap entry level sports car. It could be a Miata/Fiata like partnership, with Subaru continuing to use the NA 2.4 H4. Remember, you heard it here first!So a RWD/Manual Audi? Maybe with correct engine placement behind the front axle for a change...
ZTK_M240i wroteI am guessing the new Cayman is going to start much higher than 75k. The new base cayman will likely start 85-90 meaning 75 would be a good chunk below. Just think, even a base 4 cylinder Macan which is mean to be the entry level starts at a 65 and is easily 75-80k with options. A sports car option certainly won’t be cheaper than their entry level SUV.Then it wouldn't work and that wouldn't even make sense. As the Cayman starts around $75K.
This car if it happened would need to come in a nice chunk below the Cayman or what would the point be?
tracksidemanner wroteP cars are just getting too expensive, which is part of their problem. I would never pay $85-90k for a base 4 cylinder Cayman. I had a 2012 Cayman S that I bought new for just over $60k. A base Cayman was just over $50k at the time...so that would equate to a base price jump of about 75% in just 15 years. That would be absurd if the case.I am guessing the new Cayman is going to start much higher than 75k. The new base cayman will likely start 85-90 meaning 75 would be a good chunk below. Just think, even a base 4 cylinder Macan which is mean to be the entry level starts at a 65 and is easily 75-80k with options. A sports car option certainly won’t be cheaper than their entry level SUV.
ZTK_M240i wroteThe point is that they are trying to upscale their cars to higher price points, not downscale to lower price points. It looks like they are willing to sell less units of cars, but at higher prices.Then it wouldn't work and that wouldn't even make sense. As the Cayman starts around $75K.
This car if it happened would need to come in a nice chunk below the Cayman or what would the point be?
freakystyly wroteYou guys like to make up hypothetical cars that will never happen and with prices from 2010:help:So a RWD/Manual Audi? Maybe with correct engine placement behind the front axle for a change...
Ohio Enthusiast wroteVery interesting...and actually would make sense. But, probably would never happen lol.With Toyota rumored to want to go independent from Subaru on the 3rd gen GR86, Porsche could donate its turbo 2.0 H4 to the Subaru BRZ to get its fun and cheap entry level sports car. It could be a Miata/Fiata like partnership, with Subaru continuing to use the NA 2.4 H4. Remember, you heard it here first!
The Porsche turbo 2.0 would solve the problem of the Subaru turbo engines by not having the turbo on the bottom. The MA2.20 has the turbo on the front (where the BRZ has plenty of room and where most aftermarket turbos go), and to clear the hood on the BRZ they can ditch the air-water intercooler and do a regular air-air FMIC. Plus the other way around swaps are fairly common (Subaru engines into older Porsches).
jaffles wroteThere is a different vibe among the higher end car companies dealerships. They are probably sizing you to see if you are worth their time. Bringing a little kid with you probably doesn’t help your cause.Maybe the Porsche CEO is onto things......
Killing time the son and I walked into a Porsche dealership. It had 6 or more staff lining the walls all hidden behind large desks with bigger desk top screens. Did they pop their head over the screen...nope.
The 50 something secretary was pleasant but honestly the whole show looked like a povo pop up having a sale, BUT nothing was cheap. 6 cars in total, 3 of which were suvs. The son sitting in a latest 911 shape completed the whole experience as underwhelming. Commenting compared to his 2010 E92 this thing lacking everything (appointments) including leg room.
We wander back to the BMW dealer. Bright, shiny, huge, 100 cars or so and a pretty little thing wanders over and askes if I want a coffee, a barista one at that. She said I'll bring it to you as we were making our way to the m section. We are not connoisseurs but left dreaming of an M3. I suggested to the lad it would go like a show of shit and you can still have the kid seat in the back and a happy wife. Just need the grades to make it all happen. We looked at Aston Martin/McLaren also and to be honest it wasn't far off Porsche.
RPM33 wroteSadly, this is true and just like their "we're all in on EV sports cars", this approach will fail epically. Stellantis and Ford have learned the hard way of overpricing themselves out of the market with SUVs, trucks, and Mustangs. Porsche is teetering on that now and it will backfire. People don't have the money they used to. What is going to start selling is car, trucks, and SUVs with fewer needless options, tech, and power.The point is that they are trying to upscale their cars to higher price points, not downscale to lower price points. It looks like they are willing to sell less units of cars, but at higher prices.
ZTK_M240i wroteYes, I agree. They're far too expensive for what they offer at this point. A base 911 has jumped about 40% in just 5 years so a Cayman jumping that much or more in 15 years isnt hard to imagine. The 998 base car will likely start at 150K and be a 170-180K car with options. Just not worth it.P cars are just getting too expensive, which is part of their problem. I would never pay $85-90k for a base 4 cylinder Cayman. I had a 2012 Cayman S that I bought new for just over $60k. A base Cayman was just over $50k at the time...so that would equate to a base price jump of about 75% in just 15 years. That would be absurd if the case.
I still want a new 911 S so bad.
ZTK_M240i wroteThe real price for a cayman or any porsche is add 50% of the base for the options that any sane person would have/need.Then it wouldn't work and that wouldn't even make sense. As the Cayman starts around $75K.
This car if it happened would need to come in a nice chunk below the Cayman or what would the point be?
