c1pher wroteI was really surprised at the cheapness of the 992.2 I test drove. The switches below the display in particular felt borderline flimsy.The plastic content is more evident and even little “Porsche” aspects like the ignition switch are going away unless you buy a GT car.
MJBO wroteThat was my impression of the new BMW X3. Expensive Honda? Prestige can only get you so far at these prices.That said, the latest BMWs are a step back in this regard too.
XutvJet wroteGood point. I think both things are true simultaneously...Porsches have gotten crazy expensive but adjusted over time for inflation the numbers start to make sense.I know we say Porsche's have gotten crazy expensive, but a lot of us are older (50+) and sometimes lose focus on just how crazy inflation has been over the last 25 years. A loaded 2000 911 S sold for low $80K. That $80K is now nearly $160K. The base price of a 2026 911 S is $156K and comes with a TON more features than that 2000 911 S had. Yes, you can option a 911 S to $190K+ but so many of these options are needless and silly. But the wealthy Porsche guys are all about their "spec"
XutvJet wroteSo for funsies I went an optioned one. It's $185k for a base one that you'd actually buy.I know we say Porsche's have gotten crazy expensive, but a lot of us are older (50+) and sometimes lose focus on just how crazy inflation has been over the last 25 years. A loaded 2000 911 S sold for low $80K. That $80K is now nearly $160K. The base price of a 2026 911 S is $156K and comes with a TON more features than that 2000 911 S had. Yes, you can option a 911 S to $190K+ but so many of these options are needless and silly. But the wealthy Porsche guys are all about their "spec"
x622 wroteI'm more of a purist. I don't need or want all of that stuff except slightly better seats and that body kit (pretty damn nice). I'd mod the rest myself. I don't give a crap about resale. But I also probably represent 1% of the current 911 buyers. Most do want all the gadgets and care about resale. I got my preferred spec down to $176K. LOLSo for funsies I went an optioned one. It's $185k for a base one that you'd actually buy.
https://porsche-code.com/PTZLL9X7
I added paint for something other than basic black and white, but didn't go crazy. I figure going for blue seems standard.
You'd probably want the black wheels, but you'd save $2k here if you went without
You want the good seats not the crap seats, so I don't see that as a negotiable option (go sit in them and get back to me) So $3680 for those
You have to get the premium package, because you want surround view with parking assist as a basic requirement for 360 cameras on a $150k + car. You also definately want the ventilated seats and other stuff it comes with, but you might be able to save a grand or two if you piece meal this in.
Aerokit is $7300 otherwise you get the generic blob shape
$370 for that nice porsche crest on the console lid
You want rear axle steering because you bought a 911, so $2200
You want the PASM because again, you bought a 911 and you know putting lowering springs on it is not the same as getting the lowering springs with the different dampeners, so $1280 there.
You drive a low car so you want front axle lift $3160
Viola. You have a $186k Carrera S. I didn't even go hard on the build.
My spec on one of these is $230k;
https://porsche-code.com/PTV5KQ44
For $230k I could get a real car.
XutvJet wroteThe 911 pricing-over-time topic comes up periodically on rennlist.I know we say Porsche's have gotten crazy expensive, but a lot of us are older (50+) and sometimes lose focus on just how crazy inflation has been over the last 25 years. A loaded 2000 911 S sold for low $80K. That $80K is now nearly $160K. The base price of a 2026 911 S is $156K and comes with a TON more features than that 2000 911 S had. Yes, you can option a 911 S to $190K+ but so many of these options are needless and silly. But the wealthy Porsche guys are all about their "spec"
Phillies8008 wroteThis was where I landed. I reeeeeeally liked the 992.2 T I test drove, but I just couldn’t justify at the prices being asked.Porsches are obviously amazingly good cars – I don't think many people would dispute that. But IMO they've become way, way overpriced and simply aren't worth what they're asking for. If their strategy is indeed to accept selling a smaller number of cars in favor of jacking the prices up to ridiculous heights, I'm very dubious of their chances for success.
MJBO wroteThe Carrera T is 3x the price of a regular M2 in Australia? Are there additional taxes for the Porsche?This was where I landed. I reeeeeeally liked the 992.2 T I test drove, but I just couldn’t justify at the prices being asked.
The interior was quite sparse since it didn’t have any real options (it had partially manual seats!), no interior or exterior carbon details, and doesn’t even crack 300kW which seems crazy for the money.
Worth 3x the price of a regular M2? Sorry nah, absolutely not.
XutvJet wroteBelieve me, I haven't lost focus at all. What is happening right now is not sustainable. I look around when I'm out and I have no idea how 90% of people are getting by these days with how out of control the prices are on everything. Buddy of mine told me he stopped paying health insurance for his family as it's now $2,300 a month with a $10k deductible. The guy is a doctor too!I know we say Porsche's have gotten crazy expensive, but a lot of us are older (50+) and sometimes lose focus on just how crazy inflation has been over the last 25 years. A loaded 2000 911 S sold for low $80K. That $80K is now nearly $160K. The base price of a 2026 911 S is $156K and comes with a TON more features than that 2000 911 S had. Yes, you can option a 911 S to $190K+ but so many of these options are needless and silly. But the wealthy Porsche guys are all about their "spec"
Art__Vandelay wroteYeah the taxes on cars over $80k are part of it, but not all of it. List price for 911 is crazy even before options.The Carrera T is 3x the price of a regular M2 in Australia? Are there additional taxes for the Porsche?
Here in Switzerland a base M2 is CHF 96k while the base Carrera T starts at CHF 166k, so it's quite a bit less than even 2x the price, which is a reasonable pricing IMHO.
NickyC wroteA lot of this is entitlement and ridiculous expectations from people. You ever watch those videos of people with low credit scores trying to buy $60k-$100k cars? Or the people who buy pickup trucks that cost $100k? It's obvious 90% of people can't afford that but they still do it and get a car payment of $1200/month and then get mad.Believe me, I haven't lost focus at all. What is happening right now is not sustainable. I look around when I'm out and I have no idea how 90% of people are getting by these days with how out of control the prices are on everything. Buddy of mine told me he stopped paying health insurance for his family as it's now $2,300 a month with a $10k deductible. The guy is a doctor too!
It's just debt, on top of debt, on top of debt, on top of high interest rates, and 84-month car loans for most Americans.
kudos wroteNot sure if its true, but heard the other day Ferrari are only making x number of cars per year, no more, and not sell them to celebrities either.Porsche is going to learn they are not Ferrari.
MJBO wroteLuxury car prices in AUS are totally insane though. My 997 is literally double the cost $150K+) and even my DD FPace at the same spec and KMs is double the price.Yeah the taxes on cars over $80k are part of it, but not all of it. List price for 911 is crazy even before options.
Alfisti wroteI think it's mixed, a lot of BMWs for example compare fairly well even with our taxes lumped on top.Luxury car prices in AUS are totally insane though. My 997 is literally double the cost $150K+) and even my DD FPace at the same spec and KMs is double the price.
