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      03-21-2020, 05:48 PM   #59
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Tougher laws in every state that prevent straw gun sales, or a federal law that does the same.

Other states have the same complaint. Massachusetts is supposed to have the toughest gun laws in the country. Most of the guns used in crimes in Massachusetts come from straw gun sales sold in states bordering them. If all of those New England states had laws restricting straw gun sales then the availability of crime guns would dry up and everyone would be safer both the cops and the public.

It wouldn't prevent hunters or target shooters from buying guns. But it would stop it from being easy to make a quick buck by buying a bunch of guns in one state and driving over the border to sell them in another. People looking to make a quick buck would do something else, like sell toilet paper and hand sanitizer!
Straw sales are illegal in every state.

Sounds like the people you are complaining about are already breaking the law. So the plan is - pass more laws? How does that work?

Here is the question on the ATF Form 4473 which is required to purchase a gun in any US state. It is question 11.a

"""Are you the actual transferee/buyer of the firearm(s) listed on this form? Warning: You are not the actual transferee/buyer if you are
acquiring the firearm(s) on behalf of another person. If you are not the actual transferee/buyer, the licensee cannot transfer the firearm(s) to you. Exception: If you are picking up a repaired firearm(s) for another person, you are not required to answer 11.a. and may proceed to question 11.b. (See Instructions for Question 11.a.)"""

If you answer no to any of the questions on the form you are not allowed to complete the transaction. So in effect every state already has a straw man purchase law on the books via the federal government.
HaHa, of course straw gun sales are illegal everywhere. It's a matter of how the law and gun purchase process is structured. No one is saying to pass law on top of law. Get rid of the law that doesn't work and replace it with a law and process that doesn't have giant holes in it that make straw gun sales easy.

It's not rocket science. NJ and Massachusetts and other states have laws that actually prevent straw gun sales. Pretty simple to copy what they have already done that's successful. If all states actually prevented straw gun sales our police and our citizens would all be a lot safer without straw crime guns on the streets.
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