After a few more days of doing this my impression is that the Internet sales desk is the best place for no BS low price deals, if you know what a good deal is (as we do) you should just ask for it and see if they'll deal, most dealers will start at 4-6% off for retail buyers, many dealers will agree to 10% off for in stock or orders, and it's rare to find a dealer that will do 12% off but they do exist. So far I've had several dealers offer 12% off for 2019 inventory that they want to get rid of but none that have offered 12% on an order or current model.
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