[KT_OH]

For those that have picked up theirs, does the included fast flexible charger include the 14-50 NEMA adapter to connect plug into 240V in the US? If not, assume that needs to be bought separate to make it fast and flexible?

[rexus300]

https://www.shopbmwusa.com/product/15073/BMW-WALLBOX

https://www.bmw.com/content/dam/bmw/...5932454895.pdf

I dont believe the BMW charger comes with it but you can always purchase your own as they are pretty cheap. I presume you can use a tesla one?

https://shop.tesla.com/product/gen-2-nema-adapters

[nZtiZia]

Originally Posted by rexus300

I dont believe the BMW charger comes with it but you can always purchase your own as they are pretty cheap. I presume you can use a tesla one?

a charger comes with the vehicle. it wouldn’t be a good marketing move to sell a plug-in vehicle without something to plug into it.

[Go FasTA]

Originally Posted by nZtiZia

a charger comes with the vehicle. it wouldn’t be a good marketing move to sell a plug-in vehicle without something to plug into it.

I think the question is whether or not it includes the plug/adaptor for use with a 14-50 220/240v plug or just a 110v plug.

[KT_OH]

Originally Posted by Go FasTA

I think the question is whether or not it includes the plug/adaptor for use with a 14-50 220/240v plug or just a 110v plug.

Yep - that is what I was trying to confirm. It sounded like from one of the comments from one new 50e owner indicated the 240 volt adapter was not included

[nZtiZia]

rexus300 my apologies...

if the adapter for level 2 charging isn't included and requires a separate purchase, i can somewhat understand why BMW would do it that way.

1) not everyone has level 2 charging capabilities or requires it
2) saves them money by making it available to those who absolutely need it instead of providing it for every purchase where some won't use it (see #1). it's essentially the same as buying a consumer electronic device where they don't include the batteries.

personally, i'd negotiate it to be included if it indeed weren't included with the EVSE and i were to purchase the 50e

[jad03060]

In the USA, the default readily available receptacle is a 15A/120vac one. That's what is delivered with the vehicle. Where 220-240vac is the normal supply, they supply a 220-240vac device. On a few vehicles, the might offer a 120/240vac device, and they do have one that is optional in the USA.

Note, while the X5 can support 120/240vac inputs, the supplied EVSE in the USA is ONLY a 120vac device, and is limited to 10A, so recharging the entire battery will be a lengthy process...maybe fine to top it off if your trip wasn't too long, but if you use the full battery, expect it to take over a day to recharge to full again...maybe enough to do your commute the next day in electric mode, but not if you need closer to the full capacity.

[KT_OH]

Originally Posted by jad03060

In the USA, the default readily available receptacle is a 15A/120vac one. That's what is delivered with the vehicle. Where 220-240vac is the normal supply, they supply a 220-240vac device. On a few vehicles, the might offer a 120/240vac device, and they do have one that is optional in the USA.

Note, while the X5 can support 120/240vac inputs, the supplied EVSE in the USA is ONLY a 120vac device, and is limited to 10A, so recharging the entire battery will be a lengthy process...maybe fine to top it off if your trip wasn't too long, but if you use the full battery, expect it to take over a day to recharge to full again...maybe enough to do your commute the next day in electric mode, but not if you need closer to the full capacity.

I don't think that is the case with the 2024's. The come with a fast flexible charger which supports both - assuming you have the correct adapter for the fast charging.

[rexus300]

Originally Posted by nZtiZia

rexus300 my apologies...

if the adapter for level 2 charging isn't included and requires a separate purchase, i can somewhat understand why BMW would do it that way.

1) not everyone has level 2 charging capabilities or requires it
2) saves them money by making it available to those who absolutely need it instead of providing it for every purchase where some won't use it (see #1). it's essentially the same as buying a consumer electronic device where they don't include the batteries.

personally, i'd negotiate it to be included if it indeed weren't included with the EVSE and i were to purchase the 50e

No worries! I have the 50e coming next month so it will come with the flexible fast charger which is awesome. I just have to purchase the NEMA 14-50 adapter.

[jad03060]

The new fast flexible charger that comes with the 50e, as delivered only outputs 10A when plugged into a 120vac source.

To get up to 40A out of it, you have to buy an optional cable that will plug into a socket that SHOULD be wired for 50A. US electrical code calls for derating a circuit to 80% of its maximum capacity on something like an EVSE that can be on continuously for hours. That requires at a minimum 6G wire. That will cost you about $1.60/foot, and you need at least three of them, and if you want to plug something else in it, it might need neutral, so you'd need four, so over $6/foot, plus conduit, or if you use 6/3 Romex, that's about $7.60/foot. If you have a really long run, you might want to use an even heavier gauge to minimize the voltage drop. The adapter to hook it up to that 50A socket is not inexpensive, either. It does look like a nice device, but IMHO, it would be nicer if it could put out up to 16A with level one, and be adjustable. The internal bits should handle that easily if it can provide 40A on 240vac. If you had a dedicated 20A/120vac circuit, you could safely dump 16A, or 60% faster than the 10A it is programmed to.

In the USA, with its single phase power on level 2, the power supply is limited to 7400 watts, so it would never pull 40A.

[Pr3dict]

Originally Posted by jad03060

US electrical code calls for derating a circuit to 80% of its maximum capacity on something like an EVSE that can be on continuously for hours. That requires at a minimum 6G wire.

I just want to point out that this info is incorrect. The spirit of what you are saying is correct assuming the charger is hardwired. The code specifies for continuous loads the calculation needs to be 125 percent of the continuous load.

However that does not apply when someone puts in a 14-50r receptacle. The idea is that the code stops when the last permanent fixture is in place. As a 14-50r can have multiple different appliances plugged into it there is no requirement to KNOW what is going to be plugged into it before installing the wire before that. With that in mind 8ga wire can be used for a 14-50r. Also no EV charger will pull more than 40 amps when programmed to be plugged into a 14-50r.

If hardwiring a charger the 125% rule applies.

[Aussiejem]

Or just purchase/install a Tesla Fen 3 Universal charger in garage to do the juicing!

[Aussiejem]

*Gen

[eelnoraa]

Originally Posted by Pr3dict

I just want to point out that this info is incorrect. The spirit of what you are saying is correct assuming the charger is hardwired. The code specifies for continuous loads the calculation needs to be 125 percent of the continuous load.

However that does not apply when someone puts in a 14-50r receptacle. The idea is that the code stops when the last permanent fixture is in place. As a 14-50r can have multiple different appliances plugged into it there is no requirement to KNOW what is going to be plugged into it before installing the wire before that. With that in mind 10ga wire can be used for a 14-50r. Also no EV charger will pull more than 40 amps when programmed to be plugged into a 14-50r.

If hardwiring a charger the 125% rule applies.

No his info is NOT correct. There is no de-rate of the circuit. The NEC only said sustain load of any circuit should be 80% of the peak capacity. No need to change anything in the circuit. De-rate by definition is to lower the circuit breaker rating, which is not needed.

The part I bolded is not correct either. 14-50R on a 10AWG wire/30A circuit is a NEC violation, inspector will fail this. Even if you clearly label 30A Max on the outlet, it isn't NEC approved. With 10AWG, you need one of the 30A plug, like 14-30. There are a few other choices.

[Pr3dict]

Originally Posted by eelnoraa

No his info is NOT correct. There is no de-rate of the circuit. The NEC only said sustain load of any circuit should be 80% of the peak capacity. No need to change anything in the circuit. De-rate by definition is to lower the circuit breaker rating, which is not needed.

The part I bolded is not correct either. 14-50R on a 10AWG wire/30A circuit is a NEC violation, inspector will fail this. Even if you clearly label 30A Max on the outlet, it isn't NEC approved. With 10AWG, you need one of the 30A plug, like 14-30. There are a few other choices.

my bad... the person who wrote that might have not been completely sober at the time of writing. What was supposed to be written was 8ga wire (also thhn instead of nm wire).

ALSO nitpicking a little but the technical way of explaining this is 125% of the load not 80% derating.

[Aussiejem]

So does the Telsa Gen 3 Wall Charger outlet as per pic 1 fit the X5 t0e outlet pic 2?

[Aussiejem]

*50e (sorry big fingers on the phone key pad)

[eelnoraa]

Originally Posted by Pr3dict

my bad... the person who wrote that might have not been completely sober at the time of writing. What was supposed to be written was 8ga wire (also thhn instead of nm wire).

ALSO nitpicking a little but the technical way of explaining this is 125% of the load not 80% derating.

Circuit rate is 125% of sustained load is the same as sustained load is 80% of circuit rate, right? 50A circuit support 40A sustained load. 50A is 125% of 40A. 40A is 80% of 50A.

The de-rate never happen here, right?. The above is not de-rate, it is how the NEC is written. De-rate means if you know you will hook up a 40A EVSE to a 50A circuit, you switch out the 50A breaker to a 40A breaker. This is de-rate. This is NOT required by NEC.

What is also correct in your post is the NEC applies up to the point of the outlet. After that, what get plugged, it is not part of NEC. Inspector doesn't care. If someone decides to use splitter to plug in two 50A EVSE and don't do charge sharing, the responsibility is on the user. After all, we cannot save stupidity.

[eelnoraa]

Originally Posted by Aussiejem

So does the Telsa Gen 3 Wall Charger outlet as per pic 1 fit the X5 t0e outlet pic 2?

I think you should check your charging standard of your country. it is different for different country. In US, Tesla's plug is NOT compatible with 50e's plug. You need adaptor. But this is because lack of standardization. And US 50e plug (J1772) and Tesla plug (NACS or J3400), both are different from what is in your picture.

[Aussiejem]

Interesting, so when I ordered my incoming 50e at the BMW Dealership, I drove in with my Tesla Y and literally hooked it into the BMW wall charger there... easy and compatible. Got me thinking that maybe the Tesla Gen 3 wall charger male plug is same as the 50e female connection point. Anyone on here in Australia to back thos up maybe with an iX? As I don't think 50e model is here as yet...?

[Aussiejem]

CCS2 plug here. 50e same?

[nZtiZia]

Originally Posted by Aussiejem

CCS2 plug here. 50e same?

the 50e for AUS market will be outfitted for what’s standard there. CCS2 can do both AC and DC, but the 50e doesn't support DC charging, so I highly doubt that will be on it.

are those photos you posted above of your Tesla and charger connectors/ports? if so, that looks like Mennekes type 2