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For example, I had 2 different 135s (one N54, one N55) and they were great cars. But the 135is was a nice, incremental improvement over the base car, yet still distinguishable from the full on 1M. It's easy, does the job, and doesn't water down the ///Moniker. Just my $.02...
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Problem I see is the bigwigs at BMW GmbH probably see the IS designation —to the general consumer who are just looking at the badge— as step below the AMG43 and S5, already alienating themselves out of that market competition. If they could come up with a better "M-lite" moniker, I think that would appeal to all parties. Like a MP3, MS3 or something like that (ML3 sounds too Merc). |
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01-22-2020, 11:23 AM | #774 | |
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BMW's heritage is 4cyl's, they just simply don't sound all that "interesting". They make good power, though, especially the B48.
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I'm not gonna lie. When I first got my M235i a few years back that was my first BMW and I was lured in by the M badge.
I was like, "bro, but the powers almost there! Almost as fast in a straight line!!". When I got into the M3, was such a different beast. It's not even close. |
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01-22-2020, 01:29 PM | #779 |
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This thread is priceless! Sounds like Oprah was running the branding campaign....and u get an M and u get an M and u get an M! Everybody gets an M!! :
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I do t normally dip my toes in this water. @nicky dj, you sound like you’ve wrenched in many cars before. I implore you put an F80 and new M340i in the air and start inspecting. There are many missing bits on the M340i that matter. Yes, I’ve driven both cars. The M340i is a ways off. It isn’t as apparent in a straight like, but I suspect a road course would tell the story. M340i does have the necessary hardware to drag race comparably with an F8x car. I also have a 981 Cayman S which many think is like a GT4 because of the way it looks. There is a similar difference between Cayman S to Cayman GT4 as M340i to M3. The extra hardware makes a big difference on track.
The M Performance line is great for BMW and the consumer. It’s a lower trim level for folks who don’t want or need an M for whatever reason. More people get to experience a fun, sporty automobile. |
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To be since anything less than cs is not a full M or that cannot do 0-60mph in less than 3s. So the only cars worthy of changing my m240i to are m2cs, m4cs or m5.
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01-22-2020, 02:39 PM | #782 | |
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As much as people dont want to hear it, BMW was losing the badging war to Audi and MB, I was so mad when Audi watered down the S class, at least in this case they are not watering down the full M. Some people want 80% of an M just not the last part with the more jarring ride, much more expensive maintenance due to all those little differences in parts that add up. Especially if you never take your car on a track where the difference becomes apparent very quickly. Its a good option. The only problem for BMW is they get more of a premium on M cars and have a possibility of cutting out their own legs by making the badging too close. Either that or they need to start really differentiating on the upper models.
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01-22-2020, 02:40 PM | #783 |
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Won't be getting sub-3s 0-60 with a RWD M2cs or M4cs
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All I've been ever saying is that with the new B58 closed deck system, M engineered coolant system, an M differential and a ZF8 transmission, this car is now a worthy car mechanically. This is factual. I believe an M is better because it probably has heftier control arms, stiffer bushings, thicker sway bars, adaptive dampening coilovers, carbon fiber driveshaft, etc. I am just waiting for someone to tell me the specific differences (cause I don't know) between the cars and factual information instead of theorizing generalities. And then you have the people saying "well I used to drive a M235i", and "I used to drive a 335i with the M Performance package" in which neither of these cars are comparable to the M340i just as much as the M340i is not comparable to the M, except for what I factually stated above. Does it make it the pinnacle M in performance? NO, does it make it M performance worthy (unlike the M235i and 335i PPK etc which are not), yes and BMW agrees. |
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I understand m2cs and m4cs are not capable of sub 3s but M5 does, That was why I used 'OR'
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BMW M is also it's own company but a subsidiary of BMW, and mostly (or used to mostly) build cars from the ground up with parts developed by their own engineers in their own facility. The M "division" (proper word is actually subsidiary) was created to build race cars FOR BMW... initially not even offering production cars. It evolved to make commuter cars because of homologation rules. The M badge was never intended to be used on cars that were anything but race cars. Then race cars first, street cars second, eventually they just decided soccer mom SUVs and rental cars get M badges too because the brand is "cool" or seemingly exclusive. Or once was. It's hard to draw a direct comparison between Alpina and M as they serve different purposes. If BMW owned Alpina they'd have already whored that badge out too. Alpina, simply, isn't owned by BMW. They can't just use the logo. Alpina has never been my cup of tea, although they build respectable modified BMWs. Ask me how I feel about people putting Alpina wheels on a non-Alpina car then using that to justify rebadging the car as Alpina
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I read that the decision to produce the E12 M535i was, at least partly, influenced by the fact Alpina were already making a performance version of the E12. It is reported Jochen Neerspach who headed the Motorsport division at the time, had in mind a production equivalent of Alpina's bespoke version. The idea caught the imagination of the BMW management. As they say, the rest is history. |
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Since all BMWs have the same electronically-controlled, mechanical LSD option, I honestly don't see the point of an official M car, other than the bragging rights - if that's your thing. The one-wheel-peel was the only handicap that separated the standard BMW models from the M variants. I wish I had a time machine, so I could take one back to to the 2008 model year and save a bunch of money, by not having to opt for an official M car, merely for this one, single option. E92 335i with an LSD: M235i with an LSD: |
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