[iconoclast]

Seems things have changed over the weekend.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-a...-idUSKBN2A800T

[stein_325i]

I'm surprised how much Hyundai/Kia has said/talked about their Apple partnership. Usually Apple is a very secretive/quiet company.

[Marty in NY]

Originally Posted by iconoclast

Seems things have changed over the weekend.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-a...-idUSKBN2A800T

I would not be surprised if Apple spanked Hyundai for having loose lips and made them retract their earlier statements. Doesn't mean Apple is not in discussion with them, might just mean Apple saw the rumors getting out of control when they impacted the market so much. Yet I was surprised as I was hoping Apple would pick a different auto maker.

[jpqc]

Originally Posted by ksavostin

The reality is that Telluride is still in high demand according KIA dealers. Thus most of dealers will not give you any discounts, moreover most of them have added markup, (check this +$10,000 to MSRP https://www.lithiakiaanchorage.com/n...age-alaska.htm).
So, what we have in the end:
1. Loaded Telluride 46,000+10,000=$56,000
2. Loaded X5 45e 82,000-10%MSRP-$7,500 EV Tax credit= $66,300.
Not that much difference is between two cars. Given the numbers above I would buy X5 again, again and again..

Here in Canada it's 100k for the x5 45e and 55k for the Telluride. Also most people don't pay over MSRP for the Telluride, just shop at another dealer that does not charge markup.

[jpqc]

Originally Posted by ksavostin

Well, I am the one who cross shopped both these cars.
Ended up ordering BMW, because even though the X5 is much more luxurious/badass/cool/wow factor than Telluride, it cost not so much more due to stupid dealer's markup on KIA cars. I had choice:
1.Telluride, MSRP + $10,000 dealer markup due to high demand, lol
2.X5 45e, -10% MSRP, -$7,500 EV Tax credit.
My choice was obvious, lol.

badass ? I don't know, the telluride nightfall looks pretty badass if that's what you like.

luxurious ? I will give you that

cool ? I think it's subjective, between Rav4 Prime, Telluride and X3, I think they are all equally cool, just differently

no tax credit for x5 in canada because too expensive

https://tc.canada.ca/en/road-transpo...r-izev-program

[speedyman]

Originally Posted by Needsdecaf

Because Kia / Hyundai has made amazing strides over the last 5 years and now is stealing sales from all the German Luxury brands. They are now solidly at the Acura / Cadillac / Volvo level. And if you're a buyer who cares about fit / finish / features vs. performance, the Kia / Hyundai offerings will treat you well.

If, however, you can't get past any brand / badge identity, then nothing will ever get you into a Kia, even if it was better.

Remind me again who Albert Biermann is? And who he works for now? Ah yes, that's right, not the M Division....

KIA is now on a par with Cadillac? Did consumer reports tell you so?
The guy who said that KIAs age like curdled breast milk nailed it.
KIAs and Hyundais are great move up vehicles for the aging fart can crowd.

[Tenac]

Originally Posted by speedyman

KIA is now on a par with Cadillac? Did consumer reports tell you so?
The guy who said that KIAs age like curdled breast milk nailed it.
KIAs and Hyundais are great move up vehicles for the aging fart can crowd.

I've owned many Kia's they are great work cars or going to get dirty cars, thats about it.... They run forever and warranty is great and they used to be cheap. Oh and great first timer vehicles, but on par with Cadillac no way... I compare Kia to Fiat that's about it... I'd buy one (when they were cheap) but now their prices no way... They do however make great used cars.

[speedyman]

Originally Posted by Tenac

I've owned many Kia's they are great work cars or going to get dirty cars, thats about it.... They run forever and warranty is great and they used to be cheap. Oh and great first timer vehicles, but on par with Cadillac no way... I compare Kia to Fiat that's about it... I'd buy one (when they were cheap) but now their prices no way... They do however make great used cars.

I get that. Bought my daughter a Hyundai Tiburon for her first car. Terrible little car, kinda like one of those $39 Walmart DVD players. Throw away car, she totaled it a year later by slamming into an F150. Nearly new Hyundai totaled and almost no damage at all to the Ford pick up. Tin can on wheels.

[jad03060]

Originally Posted by speedyman

Nearly new Hyundai totaled and almost no damage at all to the Ford pick up. Tin can on wheels.

The physical laws of physics partly come into play here...the F150 probably weighs lots more, so the car loses...try hitting a full dump truck...you'll lose, too.

[speedyman]

Originally Posted by jad03060

The physical laws of physics partly come into play here...the F150 probably weighs lots more, so the car loses...try hitting a full dump truck...you'll lose, too.

I'm quite conversant with physics.
Pretty sure the Hyundai did not fare well was because it was a cheap POS.

[Melbourne_X5M]

In some ways this thread has surprised me, and in others it hasn’t. Lots of brand snobbishness driven by lack of experience.

We’ve had our 2020 Telluride for 27 months and over 30,000 miles. It has been flawless. We shopped it against the X5 and X7 before buying it. Shopped all Luxury SUV’s and the Telluride won out.

The only upside the X5 has is the RWD biased AWD system and the twin turbo power curve.

The Telluride is equal to the BMW, or better like with ventilated seats that actually get COLD and the warranty, in every other way.

That being said, I prefer the RWD TT experience, so we will be trading my wife’s 2020 fully loaded Telluride for a 2022 X5 40 XDrive when our order is built.

Our Telluride trade in value is locked in at $5,000 more than what we paid for it and we are buying the X5 at invoice less military - so I am giving my wife the color she loves: Phytonic Blue and me the RWD TT I prefer, and we will drive away happy - without regrets for the last 2+ years or the future.

Those on this forum will definitely lean heavily toward BMW, and that is somewhat understandable. Yet, in this instance it lends to a lack of knowledge and understanding. On the Telluride forum there are a large number of former MB, Audi, BMW and RR owners who converted without looking back.

[BMWBear]

Maybe we’re not snobs? Maybe we have our own opinion and it’s that Kia is not on par with the quality of materials and driving dynamics of the BMW and for those reason we choose the BMW.
I’m sure many luxury owners have gone to Kia. After all they’re $30-40k cheaper. Cost will always be the driver of all decisions. I’m sure if the cost was same for both Kia would have a lot less buyers.

[speedyman]

Originally Posted by BYEIL

Maybe we’re not snobs? Maybe we have our own opinion and it’s that Kia is not on par with the quality of materials and driving dynamics of the BMW and for those reason we choose the BMW.
I’m sure many luxury owners have gone to Kia. After all they’re $30-40k cheaper. Cost will always be the driver of all decisions. I’m sure if the cost was same for both Kia would have a lot less buyers.

Exactly!
Gotta love the guys who bark about their Kia/Hyundai being "just as good as a BMW", sure they are. What a laugh, guess that is why this stuff costs 30 or 40 grand less. These clowns wouldn't even look at that crap if it was the same price range as an X5.
Pay less, get less. Pay alot less, get alot less.
Steak costs more than a hot dog.

[rmorin1249]

Melbourne, Where are you buying your X5? What dealer?

[Flanntastic]

just to throw in, I own a 2021 Telluride and an 2022 X5.
The X5 engine is superior, the X5 driving experience is better, it drives more sports car like.
BUT
The Telluride is a better deal, and would be a better buy for 90% of the market.

[Penguino]

Get the Telluride. It's a great vehicle. It's decent size, good reliability, and very comfortable.

[speedyman]

This thread is reminding me of back in the day when some guys were convinced that an RX-7 was "just as good" as a Porsche. I was younger and one of them until I bought a Porsche. Comparing this cheap Korean scrap with BMW is the same thing all over again.

[wjbender]

For me its all about road feel, cornering, brakes, engine, and trans. I tried them all before buying my 2022 X5 40i. Only Porsche handles better, but I liked the styling and features of the BMW more. If all I wanted was a reliable A to B "appliance", there are many lower cost options. Telluride might be one of the good choices.

[BobsM3Coupe]

Originally Posted by Flanntastic

just to throw in, I own a 2021 Telluride and an 2022 X5.
The X5 engine is superior, the X5 driving experience is better, it drives more sports car like.
BUT
The Telluride is a better deal, and would be a better buy for 90% of the market.

I know looks are subjective, and these photos don't show it, but I don't like the cheap looking lights front and rear on the Kia/Hyundai large suv. But the photo does show the excessive cheap looking black plastic trim around the wheels and along the bottom from front to rear.

[IrishSpuds]

Originally Posted by Flanntastic

just to throw in, I own a 2021 Telluride and an 2022 X5.
The X5 engine is superior, the X5 driving experience is better, it drives more sports car like.
BUT
The Telluride is a better deal, and would be a better buy for 90% of the market.

Totally agree. I am a car guy, Mrs. Spuds sees them as utilitarian and is interested in getting from A to B in comfort and safety. Her current lease is an Infiniti QX60 and I drove that thing from NJ to AL to Nashville and back home a few weeks ago. Thing ran like a champ and I would have no problem owning one outside of warranty (except I think they are pig ugly and technologically archaic). I will NEVER own a BMW out of warranty as they are not reliable long term with all the gimmicky electronics. However as a sports truck I think my M50i is awesome.

[Vadersithlord]

Originally Posted by AmooManiak

I would have given him the benefit of doubt, but then he threw "Aldi" in there, which is a store known to be on the cheap side.

You would think this forum would have some sort of age or IQ limitation before someone can sign up. Some things that are being posted could be taken directly from the evil guys in Disney movies...

Speaking of Disney movies, Emma Stone is Awesome in Crella, blatant attempt at focus shift.

[IrishSpuds]

Originally Posted by ALPINA_DREAMS

I still shop at Aldi for chicken drumsticks for my Cane Corso.

You sound like you may work there as a stock boy, so I apologize if I offended you. Also, I drive a 2019 750i but coincidentally have a 2021 X5 as a loaner at present.

Now hustle back to the Kia forums where you belong.

You come across as arrogant and unintelligent with that post. You must be a joy to be around. I know many people on both ends of the wealth spectrum however like most would disassociate from some prepubescent that brags about owning a car. Pretty pathetic, but entertaining for us to watch the likes of you overcompensate for your obvious shortcomings elsewhere.