[G30M]

Originally Posted by xueju1121

The 23 model year EQS doesn’t come with the heat pump or disconnect valve, so the winter range will be impacted more. The heat pump and the disconnecting functions will be standard for 24 model year and onward.

what's a disconnect valve?

[jettie1767]

Originally Posted by xueju1121

I haven't driven an iX 50 yet, so I am not qualified to say. But the 50 is fast enough for most people, especially in the US, where the speed limit is restricted and monitored by Troopers.

Handling-wise, the front and rear anti-roll bars are stiffer in the M60, so it helps the handling by sacrificing a degree of comfort.

That's good to know. I've always driven M cars and the GM at the dealership I buy my cars from told me that he thinks I'd prefer the ride of the XM compared to the iX. He's only been able to have me do an extended test drive of the i4 40 and iX 50. No M60 or XM to try at this time. I'll surely go for a test drive of these cars when the time comes.

[nosnoop]

Originally Posted by g21

what's a disconnect valve?

It's the Disconnect Unit currently available in EQE SUV, but will eventually make it to the rest of the EQ cars. It's a small clutch which would disconnect the front motor when cruising, effectively making it a RWD; and it can re-engage quickly for AWD when power is needed. This would improve the efficiency during highway cruising.

[TXSchnee]

Originally Posted by nosnoop

It's the Disconnect Unit currently available in EQE SUV, but will eventually make it to the rest of the EQ cars. It's a small clutch which would disconnect the front motor when cruising, effectively making it a RWD; and it can re-engage quickly for AWD when power is needed. This would improve the efficiency during highway cruising.

My ‘23 Taycan has both of those features, winter range stays pretty high due to the heat pump.

[guess2098]

Nice write up. I have a taycan gts and EQS580 suv too. I don’t have a ix as interior I don’t like so much.
I agree with you on front seat as my driver seat is making noise too. It is coming from the back plate of the seat. Bother me but still can handle it.
Taycan range is too short, 80 to 20 is only like 160. But EQS from 80 to 20 is like 240. Today I am going to check eqs53 to see if they willing yo give 30k off from msrp, if they do I will trade in my gts for a Eqs amg sedan bigger space, more range than Eqs suv too (350 real world range).
Btw I think on summer range EQS580 suv will have longer range than ix as we have few hot days in SoCal around 75-85. Average consumption on those few days are around 310kwh per mile. By that, EQS580 probably can drive up to 350mi but lack of heat pump and DOC which offer on 24 should be even better car.

[pjack1]

Hi guess2098,

Is heat pump and doc confirmed for ‘24 EQS SUV? Thx

[xueju1121]

Originally Posted by pjack1

Hi guess2098,

Is heat pump and doc confirmed for ‘24 EQS SUV? Thx

It is confirmed. The Maybach version (EQS 680 SUV) already has it.

[Paladin1]

Base of $200k. That's a pricey upgrade . But worth it I'm sure if you fancy the MB design....

[Louis_BE]

Originally Posted by guess2098

Btw I think on summer range EQS580 suv will have longer range than ix as we have few hot days in SoCal around 75-85. Average consumption on those few days are around 310kwh per mile. By that, EQS580 probably can drive up to 350mi but lack of heat pump and DOC which offer on 24 should be even better car.

That would be crazy, similar battery size but larger car with larger front volume if so, that would mean Mercedes would have designed a super efficient SUV.
If I compare highway (120km/h at 10C) numbers on YT I see about 24kwh/100km for the Mercedes versus what I see on my iX50 (around 20kwh/100km)
A test between the 2 would be nice to see …
Need to test drive one, not a fan of the interior of the Merc and if it’s floaty that would be a hard pass, the 7 seats though …

[guess2098]

Originally Posted by Louis_BE

That would be crazy, similar battery size but larger car with larger front volume if so, that would mean Mercedes would have designed a super efficient SUV.
If I compare highway (120km/h at 10C) numbers on YT I see about 24kwh/100km for the Mercedes versus what I see on my iX50 (around 20kwh/100km)
A test between the 2 would be nice to see …
Need to test drive one, not a fan of the interior of the Merc and if it’s floaty that would be a hard pass, the 7 seats though …

You know same battery size eqs450 sedan can drive 450 miles max during summer. 450 4matic and 580 sedan can drive up to 400 miles max. But winter is only 60-70% of it. Taycan and ix range only drop like 10% the most during winter. So if MB adds heat pump and disconnection front clutch, range will be carzy

[Louis_BE]

Originally Posted by guess2098

You know same battery size eqs450 sedan can drive 450 miles max during summer. 450 4matic and 580 sedan can drive up to 400 miles max. But winter is only 60-70% of it. Taycan and ix range only drop like 10% the most during winter. So if MB adds heat pump and disconnection front clutch, range will be carzy

Yeah the range of the sedan is not to be compared to a boxy SUV, it is shaped like a drop … very ugly design to get max efficiency, not my personal taste.
I’m more interested in the real range of the SUV’s, what I’m seeing is that I can easily drive my iX at 120km/h with 20kwh/100km once temperature is above 15C. (On 22 inch wheels)

[Kayanarka]

I drove an EQB before getting my iX. I could not figure out how to turn on full one pedal driving so the vehicle stops when accelerator is released. The SA said it is not possible on MB. Is this true? I almost rolled right through the dealership window I am now so used to one pedal driving.

[xueju1121]

Originally Posted by Kayanarka

I drove an EQB before getting my iX. I could not figure out how to turn on full one pedal driving so the vehicle stops when accelerator is released. The SA said it is not possible on MB. Is this true? I almost rolled right through the dealership window I am now so used to one pedal driving.

There are four different regen settings on EQS:

1. D - normal regen
2. D+ - no regen/coasting
3. D Auto - intelligent regen
4. D- - more regen/one pedal

I think what you are looking for is D-, which can be achieved by pulling the left steering wheel pedal once. Granted, even under D-, the regen is less strong than Tesla.

[nosnoop]

Originally Posted by Kayanarka

I drove an EQB before getting my iX. I could not figure out how to turn on full one pedal driving so the vehicle stops when accelerator is released. The SA said it is not possible on MB. Is this true? I almost rolled right through the dealership window I am now so used to one pedal driving.

No, it is not true.

Mercedes does provide one pedal driving.
But you need to turn OFF "Creep" function (most likely your demo car had it ON).
And you need to use strong regen mode.

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[SignMD]

Nice comparison. I have had 2 Audi e-trons with acoustic glass and my wife's mach-e which has acoustic glass but I don't notice any difference with my iX which doesn't have acoustic glass. At first I was adminate to have it on the e-tron and mach-e but now I wonder if it's really needed for my next EV.

[xueju1121]

Originally Posted by SignMD

Nice comparison. I have had 2 Audi e-trons with acoustic glass and my wife's mach-e which has acoustic glass but I don't notice any difference with my iX which doesn't have acoustic glass. At first I was adminate to have it on the e-tron and mach-e but now I wonder if it's really needed for my next EV.

True. The iX is very well insulated. I would say that the better the cabin is insulated, the more noticeable the difference in acoustic glass can be felt. For example, Tesla Model X Plaid has acoustic glass all over, but it is still noisy AF.

Acoustic glass is the cherry on top, not the fundamental requirement for a quiet cabin. The iX is doing much better than the majority of EVs, but it can definitely benefit from it. Also, acoustic glass usually reduces the amount of heat transfer as well, which is a plus if you are not planning to tint your windows.

Cheers.

[BMWEVGuy]

Few other things about EQS vs iX:

iX:
Forward sphere visibility out of iX is much much better than EQS SUV.
Really love how Apple Maps can be displayed on instrument cluster (perhaps on HUD)
iX is hands down sportier, athletic to drive
iX has BW 4D Sound system which is terrific especially if you into Pitbull, Hippop kind of music
Presence of heat pump makes iX perform better in range through winter months
Doubt if Highway assistant available in 2024 iX is there in Mercedes EQS SUV yet (So that's a plus for iX)


EQS:
Forward sphere visibility is not that good. For some people in 5'2'' to 5'11'' height range the bonnet design will interfere with line of sight. Also, dash and instrument cluster is a bit high.
EQS SUV is floating over air
If you have Rear Seat executive package, one will just sink into EQS 2nd row seat
That microfiber pillow on the headrest to comfort your head is a feeling you won't get anywhere else
Massage variety is much more in EQS than iX
4D sound system which is only available in Maybach for Mercedes
10 degree rear axis steering can be very helpful in tight situations (perhaps does not matter if you have abundance of land like Texas or Colorado etc)
Deep Integration with Tesla Supercharger network (for rout planning, payments etc) is a big plus point


Other important points of comparison would be (on which I can't offer any conclusive thoughts):
Reliability & accuracy of Voice command system
Driver Assistance System


PS. I don't own any of these yet but due to test drives and some time in showroom I have accumulated this knowledge. I am personally split between the two (don't know which way to go)

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by BMWEVGuy

Few other things about EQS vs iX:

iX:
Forward sphere visibility out of iX is much much better than EQS SUV. For people in some height range the bonnet design will interfere with line of sight. Also, dash and instrument cluster is a bit high.
Really love how Apple Maps can be displayed on instrument cluster (perhaps on HUD)
iX is hands down sportier, athletic to drive
iX has BW 4D Sound system which is terrific especially if you into Pitbull, Hippop kind of music
Presence of heat pump makes iX perform better in range through winter months
Doubt if Highway assistant available in 2024 iX is there in Mercedes EQS SUV yet (So that's a plus for EQS)


EQS:
EQS SUV is floating over air
If you have Rear Seat executive package, one will just sink into EQS 2nd row seat
That microfiber pillow on the headrest to comfort your head is a feeling you won't get anywhere else
Massage variety is much more in EQS than iX
4D sound system which is only available in Maybach for Mercedes
10 degree rear axis steering can be very helpful in tight situations (perhaps does not matter if you have abundance of land like Texas or Colorado etc)
Deep Integration with Tesla Supercharger network (for rout planning, payments etc) is a big plus point


Other important points of comparison would be (on which I can't offer any conclusive thoughts):
Reliability & accuracy of Voice command system
Driver Assistance System


PS. I don't own any of these yet but due to test drives and some time in showroom I have accumulated this knowledge. I am personally split between the two (don't know which way to go)

EQS is getting heat pump and axle disconnect for 2024 I believe.

[Fast400]

@xueju1121 Does the EQS have a strange smell? I looked at a few Mercedes EQE, EQS, and EQC. They all had a rather plastic'ish smell for lack of better wording. It actually made me walk away from them.

[BMWEVGuy]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

EQS is getting heat pump and axle disconnect for 2024 I believe.

Yes that is true, it's going to get all of that.

Snippet from MY2024 EQE Sedan order guide:

MY24 Product Changes
Changes to the EQE Sedan for MY24 include exterior, interior, equipment, and powertrain technology

Powertrain Updates

• All-new braking system for improved brake feel and revised regenerative braking software
• 4MATIC Disconnect for real-life range improvement on 4MATIC models.
• Heat Pump for improved real-life winter driving efficiency

[xueju1121]

Originally Posted by Fast400

@xueju1121 Does the EQS have a strange smell? I looked at a few Mercedes EQE, EQS, and EQC. They all had a rather plastic'ish smell for lack of better wording. It actually made me walk away from them.

I haven’t experienced any strange smell in my EQS. Mine comes with a HEPA filter and fragrance system, so you can’t really smell anything, both inside and out. Material-wise, the only plastic part I can find is the shifting column. The rest is covered in either leather or Alcantara.