[TurboRed]

Hi guys!

This is my first post here, I mostly read and that's enough because the forum is just awesome. But this time I couldn't find answers to my questions.

The problem is the following.

I want to buy Hamann Anniversary Evo II Black Line 23" wheels for my BMW X5M F95, but I don't understand:
1) How to choose the right (manufacturer and parameters) bolt circle adapters, because these wheels have a 5 x 108 bolt pattern. And I don't know what the stock bolt pattern is.
2) How to choose the right tires (summer and winter). Ideally the tires should be available in Europe because I live here.
3) Now the standard wheels are different widths, judging by the markings on the tires: 295/35 ZR 21 in front and 315/30 ZR 22 in the back. That is, the tire width differs by 20 millimeters (295 in front and 315 in the back). Question: are the standard disks the same width or different too? And should/can the new disks be the same or different in width?

PS
These wheels with bolt circle adapters will stick out of the arches, but for this (oh luckily) Hamann has arch extensions. By the way, my car has lowered KV springs.

Wheel dimensions:
- size: 11.0 x 23
- ET: 23
- bolt circle: 5 x 108

In this photo on the right is my car, and on the left is what I plan to get

[Highline-Autos.com]

Priority #1 would be the correct bolt pattern... then you go from there!

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[Jeff J]

I would be very cautious about buying wheels with the wrong bolt pattern and relying on an adapter. If Hamann won't do it for you, there are custom forged wheel companies who will, and can come very very close to duplicating the Hamann styling (probably for less money too). Stock F95 wheels are a 5x112 pattern - close to the Hamann wheel but not enough to fit.

The factory wheels are 21x10.5" front and 22x11.5" rear, which accounts for the wider rear tire.

In the European market, there are 315/25r23 tires available that would maintain the same rolling circumference / diameter of the factory installation (these are generally not available in the USA). There are a few people running that size front and rear. If you don't want a "square" setup like that, then your next best option is to run a 295/30r22 in front (yes, one inch smaller on the wheels). I'm personally running 295/35r22 and 315/30r23 on my X5M and think it looks great. This is 1" larger rolling diameter at all four corners, so it's not a factory fitment.

Note for winter, the conventional wisdom is to use smaller wheels and tires. I believe the factory offering is 295/35r21. I'm using my original factory wheels with 295/35r21 and 315/30r22 winter tires. It works for cold temperatures but would not be ideal for deep snow.

[fallen]

IMHO your car looks great with the current setup.
Not sure about the one on the left :-)

[x622]

Literally just contact DOV wheels in china and have them forged and made exactly to your spec for $2k and have them shipped. Done. Don't do silly wheel adapters and other nonsense.



Source: Most wheel companies use the same blanks made in China or Taiwan. Skip the "lifestyle" tax and just have them cut how you want.

[ipayincash]

Originally Posted by TurboRed

Hi guys!

This is my first post here, I mostly read and that's enough because the forum is just awesome. But this time I couldn't find answers to my questions.

The problem is the following.

I want to buy Hamann Anniversary Evo II Black Line 23" wheels for my BMW X5M F95, but I don't understand:
1) How to choose the right (manufacturer and parameters) bolt circle adapters, because these wheels have a 5 x 108 bolt pattern. And I don't know what the stock bolt pattern is.
2) How to choose the right tires (summer and winter). Ideally the tires should be available in Europe because I live here.
3) Now the standard wheels are different widths, judging by the markings on the tires: 295/35 ZR 21 in front and 315/30 ZR 22 in the back. That is, the tire width differs by 20 millimeters (295 in front and 315 in the back). Question: are the standard disks the same width or different too? And should/can the new disks be the same or different in width?

PS
These wheels with bolt circle adapters will stick out of the arches, but for this (oh luckily) Hamann has arch extensions. By the way, my car has lowered KV springs.

Wheel dimensions:
- size: 11.0 x 23
- ET: 23
- bolt circle: 5 x 108

In this photo on the right is my car, and on the left is what I plan to get


Attachment 3603477

Check this video out, they are here in the US and did something similiar might help you get a better idea

[TurboRed]

Wow guys, thank you so much for your support and participation! I really didn't expect so many like-minded people willing to help with such useful advice. After reading your posts, I rethought my vision of the desired setup!

Jeff J, thank you very much for the detailed answer and very useful advice!

Yes, indeed, you are right, it is not the best idea to use adapters. In addition to the potential technical problems and risks, adapters also greatly increase the wheel offset, as a result of which they will stick out of the arches, wheel arch extensions will be required, and with extensions the car does not look very nice, as @fallen noted.

Thanks a lot for the exact dimensions of the factory wheels and the explanation regarding the different tire widths front and rear, this is useful.

Also, you drew my attention to the "square" setup with the same wheels on both axles. Yes, I think I would not want such an option with the same wheels. I really liked the configuration that you use on your car 295/35r22 and 315/30r23. This is the closest to the factory configuration, and I think it was not in vain that the engineers provided narrower front wheels with a higher tire. And it will look more harmonious, in my opinion. By the way, could you share photos of your car on these wheels?

And yes, I also decided to leave the standard wheels for the winter, and order 22/23 inches for the summer, thanks for the idea!

Regarding custom forged wheel companies, can you recommend anyone in particular? I don’t really trust Chinese manufacturers, I would like to find someone in Europe or the USA. Or are there Chinese manufacturers that can provide a high level of quality?

[TurboRed]

ipayincash thank you very much for the video! It clearly showed how with such wheels and adapters the wheels stick out from the arches!

[TurboRed]

x622 thanks a lot for the tip! I am researching this manufacturer. As I wrote above, I am skeptical about Chinese quality, do you think they can make light, precise and strong wheels?

[Jeff J]

Originally Posted by TurboRed

By the way, could you share photos of your car on these wheels?

Regarding custom forged wheel companies, can you recommend anyone in particular?

Here are links to pictures I posted in two other threads on this forum:
https://g05.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...postcount=1788
https://g05.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...&postcount=125

As for reputable wheel companies, there are plenty. Mine are from Rusch, who is headquartered in Miami (though originated in Russia years back) and does manufacturing in China. This path is on the order of $5-7k. Companies based in the USA that also manufacture in the USA are typically asking twice that amount. If you can find proof that the company is using proper 10k or 12k-ton forging blanks as a starting point, where the CNC machining is done matters relatively little (from a technical standpoint; political and emotional factors certainly still apply!).

A couple of names to look at, just as a starting point: BC Forged (Taiwan), HRE (US), Velos (US), Forgelite (Canada). Note that I don't have personal ownership experience with any of these, but you'll find these names elsewhere on this forum with happy customers.

[x622]

Originally Posted by TurboRed

x622 thanks a lot for the tip! I am researching this manufacturer. As I wrote above, I am skeptical about Chinese quality, do you think they can make light, precise and strong wheels?

Yup and as Jeff posted, you also want them to provide the details on where they source their blanks. There's not a huge amount of companies making them, and a lot of them are in China. There's only two that I know of in the entire world that makes forged magnesium blanks for example. I run replica r101s on my track s2000, and they have been better than the american wheels I usually buy, plus I don't have to beg and plead with rays engineering (volk racing) to get the specs I need to fit proper race tires on the chassis. Oh, and the barrels are even knurled (the most aggressive I've seen personally), and the finish is pretty tough.


I like DOV but there's other options. Do your due diligence and you can pay $2.5-3k a set for wheels with air shipping or less, fully forged and exactly to your specifications. You can even put whatever logo design or text you want on it. Or do something crazy like get CE28N's cut for something like a 720s... (rays won't do it)

[ipayincash]

Originally Posted by x622

Yup and as Jeff posted, you also want them to provide the details on where they source their blanks. There's not a huge amount of companies making them, and a lot of them are in China. There's only two that I know of in the entire world that makes forged magnesium blanks for example. I run replica r101s on my track s2000, and they have been better than the american wheels I usually buy, plus I don't have to beg and plead with rays engineering (volk racing) to get the specs I need to fit proper race tires on the chassis. Oh, and the barrels are even knurled (the most aggressive I've seen personally), and the finish is pretty tough.


I like DOV but there's other options. Do your due diligence and you can pay $2.5-3k a set for wheels with air shipping or less, fully forged and exactly to your specifications. You can even put whatever logo design or text you want on it. Or do something crazy like get CE28N's cut for something like a 720s... (rays won't do it)

Do you mind sharing the two that you know that makes forged magnesium blanks ? Is DOV one of them ? Does DOV use the 10k - 12k ton forging also ?

[x622]

Originally Posted by ipayincash

Do you mind sharing the two that you know that makes forged magnesium blanks ? Is DOV one of them ? Does DOV use the 10k - 12k ton forging also ?

You aren't putting magnesium wheels on your x5m, they only go up to 21" blanks. DOV is just a machining/final wheel cutting place like the rest of the wheel companies others have mentioned.

[ipayincash]

Thanks for the info I did not know that, got it…. Will check them out either way to see what they say. Excited to see how azm3 set looks, I know he ordered from them and so far they look gorgeous

[matowi]

Originally Posted by TurboRed

Hi guys!

This is my first post here, I mostly read and that's enough because the forum is just awesome. But this time I couldn't find answers to my questions.

The problem is the following.

I want to buy Hamann Anniversary Evo II Black Line 23" wheels for my BMW X5M F95, but I don't understand:
1) How to choose the right (manufacturer and parameters) bolt circle adapters, because these wheels have a 5 x 108 bolt pattern. And I don't know what the stock bolt pattern is.
2) How to choose the right tires (summer and winter). Ideally the tires should be available in Europe because I live here.
3) Now the standard wheels are different widths, judging by the markings on the tires: 295/35 ZR 21 in front and 315/30 ZR 22 in the back. That is, the tire width differs by 20 millimeters (295 in front and 315 in the back). Question: are the standard disks the same width or different too? And should/can the new disks be the same or different in width?

One of the easy fixes is to select the right product. Hamann offers their EVO rims with the right bolt pattern for your car (5x112): Anniversary Evo Black Line - last item on the list (23x11")

Consider, however, that the wheels you want to put on your X5 will stick out from your fenders (as seen in the YT clip posted above). To mitigate this you may need to put Hamman's wide body kit in addition to the wheels

Here's the best implementation known to mankind. Honestly, whenever I see that gallery, I'm wondering what do ppl need p**ub for...

Just beware, it's not cheap (add painting and installation on top of the price below):

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[TurboRed]

Jeff J, thanks a lot for the photos, explanations and tips!

[TurboRed]

x622 thanks for the explanation, now I understand how to move forward!

[TurboRed]

matowi The problem is that I liked only the one model that has a different bolt pattern
Anyway, thanks to the advice from the guys above, I realized that the easiest way would be to order custom wheels with a similar design and the correct bolt pattern.
Oh, by the way, you are also from Poland) I am too, in Warsaw)
The photo in the topic on your link is definitely cooler than p**ub! )

[azm3]

Originally Posted by ipayincash

Thanks for the info I did not know that, got it…. Will check them out either way to see what they say. Excited to see how azm3 set looks, I know he ordered from them and so far they look gorgeous

My wheels from DOV turned out incredibly awesome. I just posted a preview in my thread!

[TurboRed]

Originally Posted by azm3

My wheels from DOV turned out incredibly awesome. I just posted a preview in my thread!

Thanks! Very interesting and bold design! Cool!
Does DOV use the 10k-12k ton forging?
How did you contact them? Their website doesn't open for me...

[azm3]

https://dunhuicn.en.alibaba.com/

[TurboRed]

Originally Posted by Jeff J

I would be very cautious about buying wheels with the wrong bolt pattern and relying on an adapter. If Hamann won't do it for you, there are custom forged wheel companies who will, and can come very very close to duplicating the Hamann styling (probably for less money too). Stock F95 wheels are a 5x112 pattern - close to the Hamann wheel but not enough to fit.

The factory wheels are 21x10.5" front and 22x11.5" rear, which accounts for the wider rear tire.

In the European market, there are 315/25r23 tires available that would maintain the same rolling circumference / diameter of the factory installation (these are generally not available in the USA). There are a few people running that size front and rear. If you don't want a "square" setup like that, then your next best option is to run a 295/30r22 in front (yes, one inch smaller on the wheels). I'm personally running 295/35r22 and 315/30r23 on my X5M and think it looks great. This is 1" larger rolling diameter at all four corners, so it's not a factory fitment.

Note for winter, the conventional wisdom is to use smaller wheels and tires. I believe the factory offering is 295/35r21. I'm using my original factory wheels with 295/35r21 and 315/30r22 winter tires. It works for cold temperatures but would not be ideal for deep snow.

Thank you once again! Your comments have been incredibly valuable to me!
Could you please tell me the offset (ET) of the stock wheels and the ones you ordered?
Apologies if this is a silly question – this is the first time I’ve really looked into choosing wheels.