[G30M]

some updates, i posted a few weeks ago i sold my Kia EV9 for profit due to the fomo from the war, and went back to my M550i V8

the M550i is a pleasure to drive. absolute pleasure! well i bought it for no other reason than what i saw was the last pure ultimate driving machine ever made (well actually i think that honor goes to the F90 M5C LCi but it was twice the price of my car) and plan to keep it till it dies (or i die).

what's my next car? unfortunately in my situation EV is more convenient. but no EV for now lol. shortlists are iX3, iX5, Volvo EX90, Volvo EX60, but we'll see. i don't like to buy stuff under FOMO conditions. whole country sold out of EVs, new ones too expensive for what they are. maybe wait a bit ...

unless an F90 M5C LCi falls from the sky ...

[afadeev]

Originally Posted by kilowatt88

This is spoken like someone did not do sufficient research into the topic and relies on mainstream media for "news".

From where do you get your "news"?
Consider citing your sources, so that we know you are not just making stuff up.

And <W2k> observations are perfectly accurate.

Originally Posted by kilowatt88

infrastructure upgrades required to support transmission (let alone generation - electricity is not generated via magic dust and most of it still comes from traditional sources) would be in the billions. Who is going to pay for this? Taxpayer? EV adaptors?

Strange how electricity consumption is, somehow, obstacle to EV adoption, but not to the largest data-center build-out in modern history.

For comparison, data center electricty consumption is projected to go up from 176 terawatt hours (TWh) in 2023 (4.4% of total U.S. electricity consumption) to between 325-580 TWh (6.7-12.0%) by 2028.
Total US electricity consumption from Electric vehicles in the U.S. was 11.7 TWh in 2024 and 7.6 TWh in 2023.

EV electricity use is, basically, a rounding error next to AI data center growth!

https://www.belfercenter.org/researc...ding%20outages.

Originally Posted by kilowatt88

Let me guess, if I told you, in say, 2018 that in 2 years you will be required to take an untested toxic injection to keep your job (or even leave your house like some EU countries), you would totally call me completely crazy yes?

I would call you out for trying to change the subject when unable to substantiate veracity of your own argument.

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[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by afadeev

From where do you get your "news"?
Strange how electricity consumption is, somehow, obstacle to EV adoption, but not to the largest data-center build-out in modern history.

Speaking of news sources, how did you miss the several thousand articles on the issues with energy and water pertaining to data-centers?

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Maybe EV's should have the same agreement?

[afadeev]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Speaking of news sources, how did you miss the several thousand articles on the issues with energy and water pertaining to data-centers?

The opposite - I'm pointing out the obvious lack of stated concerns for an industry that is projected to consuem 100X the rate of electricity vs. EVs, yet generates no opposition from the person who seams to care about electricty shortage.

Which makes me wonder if that person really understands or cares about electricity capacity as much as propagating fake anti-EV fears.

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

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That's a meaningless blulb with zero substantitive policies or laws to make it real.

No more or less useful than a proclamation that Tooth Fairy would build all the new energy capacity anyone ever needs.

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Maybe EV's should have the same agreement?

Maybe Elon could tell his ex-BFF to proclaim something similar w.r.t. EVs, but I don't think he is into spewing hot air for no purpose.

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[zx10guy]

The electrical infrastructure in this country is woefully inadequate for the current demands let alone the projected consumption.

Personally, there should be a requirement for any of these data centers to also pay for the needed upgrades due to their impact to the local grid. Microsoft is paying to spin up the old Three Mile Island nuclear powerplant for their AI data centers. I don't see why other companies can't do something similar.

[FrankL]

Originally Posted by zx10guy

The electrical infrastructure in this country is woefully inadequate for the current demands let alone the projected consumption.

Personally, there should be a requirement for any of these data centers to also pay for the needed upgrades due to their impact to the local grid. Microsoft is paying to spin up the old Three Mile Island nuclear powerplant for their AI data centers. I don't see why other companies can't do something similar.

I have been following data centers and Sam Altman AI BS. The math does not math for these data centers.

[FrankL]

Originally Posted by jaffles

Maybe so but got a mate with a California. It's capable of factory launches just Ferrari told him its only good for 10. So choose wisely as a new clutch is 25K AU.

A 500K Ferrari that does 3.6 sec, or a 100k Kia that does 3.6. Just trying to make a point where value for money, fun, and sales for EV has its merit.

Reckon the build quality of the Kia is also well above the Ferrari.

He should get a Lamborghini tractor clutch. The old story was Ferrucio Lamborghini was doing well making tractor in Italy. He was buying a few Ferraris but the clutches were failing.

He was not far from Maranello and went to see Ferrari. He told Ferrari that his tractor clutch worked fine and was better than his Ferrari clutch.

Enzo was not amused and told him to go home and back to making his tractors. This enraged Lamborghini and he started making cars.

He made a coupe then made arguably the first mid engine supercar, the Miura. The world was stunned and so was Ferrari. The car debut at Zurich or Milan motor show (? I am not sure which one). It also was in the opening of the movie The Italian Job.

The men working on the Miura were all under age 30. The chassis designed was a Giampaolo Dallara.

As we all know, Lamborghini was going to build the chassis and body of the BMW M1 but Lamborghini went broke.

[jaffles]

food for manufacture collaboration? Range anxiety has been one issue, how fast will it charge is the next.

Batteries can be charged at a slower rate over 24hrs so require lesser draw on the grid than fast charging. But nothing slow about this.

This is for a car, but have seen the same for trcks
https://youtube.com/shorts/DydctJdRh...fTJzs80o8T-PEO

Another truck version
https://youtube.com/shorts/hIKwkDQzd...6cXnPafQJk1HFD

[freakystyly]

Originally Posted by jaffles

But nothing slow about this.

Reminds me of this

Nothing like shooting a 1500 lb brick down a sidewalk at shin level.

[JABCAT]

I just paid $56.92 to fill up my M2 today. Wife's X3MC was $70 yesterday. Still wouldn't consider an EV.

[jaffles]

Originally Posted by kilowatt88

https://www.carscoops.com/2024/03/ca...a-to-insurers/

Enjoy!

Sadly very little to enjoy. This company gathers our lives to sells us off shit is out of hand. Started with Credit Cards as you no longer can just buy something without being pestered to buy the vendor. Now its getting to we only what the perfect customer who never claims. Yes there may be a convenance to some of it, but really its agree to the terms (which are lengthy and legal jargon) or just drop the whole idea and think of something else to do.

You want it, you bend over and take it dry deal. Then half these gutless companies make it hard to be contacted, or the ol no-reply BS. I wonder why.

Really its reason enough to keep the ol ICE burner going....and going....and going. Speed limit is 100 anyway, so does make you think again about any new car, or many new things.

[Ohio Enthusiast]

Originally Posted by afadeev

I'm pointing out the obvious lack of stated concerns for an industry that is projected to consuem 100X the rate of electricity vs. EVs, yet generates no opposition from the person who seams to care about electricty shortage.

To be fair, there's a big difference in how the grid will handle millions of additional small demands vs. a few dozens additional large demands, plus many data center project already include funding for electric power plants to be upgraded and/or built to power them. Home EV charging also strains power delivery in ways data centers don't - many communities' power grids can't support a 30% increase of electric load if every single family home installs an EV charger.

[Mikey240]

Originally Posted by Ohio Enthusiast

To be fair, there's a big difference in how the grid will handle millions of additional small demands vs. a few dozens additional large demands, plus many data center project already include funding for electric power plants to be upgraded and/or built to power them. Home EV charging also strains power delivery in ways data centers don't - many communities' power grids can't support a 30% increase of electric load if every single family home installs an EV charger.

This. I myself am not enamoured nor sold on this EV thing. Its being pushed HARD, like really hard for everything including school buses, etc. I have converted to an electric snowblower & weed trimmer. They work well and I dont miss gassing up the old models. But cars? nah, not for me.

That all said - I like choice so if a person or their family decides that an EV is for them then go for it. However, that also applies to petrol vehicles and their buyers too. Choice. Freedom to make that choice. That wins over "virtue signalling" and/or hysterics, every time.

So, IMHO, EVs and petrol vehicles need to live alongside each other. Let buyers decide what works best for them and their area/needs/situation. That seems fair and reasonable. Does it not?

One area that some might disagree with me on in is that I prefer performance, exotics and muscle cars staying 100% petrol only. I dont care about 0-100 times, dont care about any of that. I love the sound, design, etc. of petrol engines in performance cars. So, keep the weekend toys and sports cars all gas, baby.

[julek140]

The electric car works fine in eco mode, but if I switch to normal or sport mode, the range is terrible.

[kilowatt88]

Originally Posted by afadeev

Strange how electricity consumption is, somehow, obstacle to EV adoption, but not to the largest data-center build-out in modern history.

For comparison, data center electricty consumption is projected to go up from 176 terawatt hours (TWh) in 2023 (4.4% of total U.S. electricity consumption) to between 325-580 TWh (6.7-12.0%) by 2028.

Actually both are a huge problem and both will be used as an excuse to ration your energy in the very near future, because guess what - both the generation capacity and transmission capacity is nowhere near the level required to support "mass EV", and datacenters will get theirs because the real reason for all of this "AI" buildout is to surveil you and ultimately control your behavior. (All the data collected from every single digital transaction you make has to be analyzed somewhere you know, especially when they will combine it with biometric digital ID which will make "them" know 100% you is physical you (And will also make it impossible for the physical "you" to avoid, for example, energy rationing, because the EV wont charge unless you Face-ID and you have not exhausted your social credit allowance for the month).

But dont worry, it will be done for the children and to fight climate change. LOL

[Mikey240]

Originally Posted by kilowatt88

Actually both are a huge problem and both will be used as an excuse to ration your energy in the very near future, because guess what - both the generation capacity and transmission capacity is nowhere near the level required to support "mass EV", and datacenters will get theirs because the real reason for all of this "AI" buildout is to surveil you and ultimately control your behavior. (All the data collected from every single digital transaction you make has to be analyzed somewhere you know, especially when they will combine it with biometric digital ID which will make "them" know 100% you is physical you (And will also make it impossible for the physical "you" to avoid, for example, energy rationing, because the EV wont charge unless you Face-ID and you have not exhausted your social credit allowance for the month).

But dont worry, it will be done for the children and to fight climate change. LOL

All of this is dead on, IMO. Its for the children & polar bears.