[nZtiZia]

Originally Posted by Nuckle

There is way more to an X5MC than a 0-60 time. I am a M50i owner and previous X5M owner. The X5MC would literally destroy the M50i on the track.

he's not disputing the X5M will outperform the M50i, but his point is 90% of the time the X5M isn't on the track, so is that 10% of track time superiority worth the extra $25k? That's a subjective question. to some it is; to some it's not.

[Cheesy Myneezy]

Originally Posted by nZtiZia

he's not disputing the X5M will outperform the M50i, but his point is 90% of the time the X5M isn't on the track, so is that 10% of track time superiority worth the extra $25k? That's a subjective question. to some it is; to some it's not.

Who is honestly on here taking their SUV to a track anyway? For all the people that throw around what something does on a track or doesn't, I am sure 80% or more like myself have never even been on a track, especially with an SUV, because ya know, they have a life. Not hating on the X5M as I started this thread, but this track debate is pointless. If you bought the x5MC because you preferred it over anything else, fine, I'm all about it. If you bought it to just drive on a track, you have too much time on your hands, and you're probably one of those people who post on Facebook what they are eating for dinner and look at me, I bought a BMW. Curious with everyone's point of view on this M topic who's bias and who is not, based on what car they have. I said it before, the fact there is a debate means it's a gray area.

[nZtiZia]

my reply above isn't for or against the X5M. i take no sides.

Originally Posted by Cheesy Myneezy

Not hating on the X5M as I started this thread, but this track debate is pointless.

no it's not as it's one of the many selling points of an X5M regardless of the 'ego' persona or if it actually applies to the owner. you're just saying this as someone who doesn't have an X5M to track.

[Cheesy Myneezy]

Originally Posted by nZtiZia

my reply above isn't for or against the X5M. i take no sides.

no it's not as it's one of the many selling points of an X5M regardless of the 'ego' persona. you're just saying this as someone who doesn't have an X5M to track.

Dude if I was a billionaire and had an "x5M to track" I wouldn't be tracking it. That's the point. And even those who would be, they tracking it once a month? Once a week? We get it, one does better on the track then the other. That's like saying I bought this car cause it's good in the snow but I live in Georgia. It's a pointless argument or reason for buying the car when most of you do not go to a track

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by Cheesy Myneezy

Curious with everyone's point of view on this M topic who's bias and who is not, based on what car they have. I said it before, the fact there is a debate means it's a gray area.

Since you started all of this then you can clarify your question, what exactly were you asking. Was the M50i an M from a technical/physical/"M" car point of view or from an organizational point of view.

There really is not debate either way but it just depends on what you are asking.

From a technical/physical/"M" car point of view it is not since that is a specific set of vehicles that have specific physical engineering and design as explained in a number of posts.

If you are talking from an organizational point of view they definitely are since they fall under the BMW M division and are marketed by them as having higher performance than the non-m version of the vehicle.

As far as bias is concerned, what I found interesting is that except for a handful or so, the current owners of the M50i were unanimous that it is not an ///M. It seemed to be non-M50i owners who were the ones arguing it was. Again, without clarify what is being asked it really doesn't matter one way or the other.

[nZtiZia]

Originally Posted by Cheesy Myneezy

Dude if I was a billionaire and had an "x5M to track" I wouldn't be tracking it. That's the point. And even those who would be, they tracking it once a month? Once a week? We get it, one does better on the track then the other. That's like saying I bought this car cause it's good in the snow but I live in Georgia. It's a pointless argument or reason for buying the car when most of you do not go to a track

ok, this is what you wouldn't do, but you need to chill. i have no argument with you. my point is you can't speak for others. that's fair to say, isn't it?

if you had an X5M and found you never/rarely tracked it, then you'd qualify to argue the track debate is pointless, but that would still be your opinion

that's just fact.

[Cheesy Myneezy]

Originally Posted by TurtleBoy

Since you started all of this then you can clarify your question, what exactly were you asking. Was the M50i an M from a technical/physical/"M" car point of view or from an organizational point of view.

There really is not debate either way but it just depends on what you are asking.

From a technical/physical/"M" car point of view it is not since that is a specific set of vehicles that have specific physical engineering and design as explained in a number of posts.

If you are talking from an organizational point of view they definitely are since they fall under the BMW M division and are marketed by them as having higher performance than the non-m version of the vehicle.

As far as bias is concerned, what I found interesting is that except for a handful or so, the current owners of the M50i were unanimous that it is not an ///M. It seemed to be non-M50i owners who were the ones arguing it was. Again, without clarify what is being asked it really doesn't matter one way or the other.

Great question turtle. I own an M50i but I was just curious what others thought they had/didn't have, opinions, etc. I know there's always going to be some nerd who pulls out a manual and says "nowwwwww wait just a minute sir, they're very different and here's why!!"

I get that, obviously they're different, Stevie wonder could see the differences. People buy cars for horrible reasons, many focus on what others will think, meanwhile the general public is clueless and most don't look past it being a BMW. When people talk about ego, that's also retarded cause again, most have no idea so your ego is inflated or triggered for the wrong things. My $100k M50i still looks less expensive than many other cars as bmw has become a Me too car. People buy cars based on price point, brand, practicality, daily driver vs weekend warrior, and the list goes on for what works for you. Some argued this isn't even a debate, "M50i absolutely not, not even close, blah blah, but my questioning has been confirmed by all the back an forth. I don't think it's an M car but it's in the conversation. And if people say "you only think that cause of the v8" well ok. People forget it's ok to disagree. We all don't have to sit Indian style and sing coombayah and agree on everything. I don't think x5mc is practical for my daily use, and my M50i is a work car so it really wasn't practical for me.

[Rxpert]

With all of this to track or not to track debate, what about the obvious question:

Are any X5's actually allowed on the track?

NONE of the tracks, auto clubs, or autocross groups where I live allow SUVs to take part in any events due to safety regulations (high risk of rolling).

So where I live it's all a moot point, you can own whatever flavor of X5 you want, you ain't taking it tracking or auto-xing anywhere period.

[Dgjo2022X5MC]

Originally Posted by remeeno

What exactly is that "more" ?

And how many miles you drive on the track vs. regular driving?

I drive an X40i MSport and I was capped at 130 mph several times - it is ANYTHING but floaty.

My 2 cents having G05 40i M sport and F95.

I have a lack of confidence with G05 as it leans dramatically in turns over f95.

The M diff in f95 is unreal (as was my f86). The car pivots in turns when the g05 labors a bit.

G05 is sweet, but there is really no reason to compare to a f95 as they are a nearly completely different machines.

[iconoclast]

Is the M2 technically a reincarnation/ modern day version of the E36 M3 or E46 M3?

[nZtiZia]

Originally Posted by Rxpert

With all of this to track or not to track debate, what about the obvious question:

Are any X5's actually allowed on the track?

NONE of the tracks, auto clubs, or autocross groups where I live allow SUVs to take part in any events due to safety regulations (high risk of rolling).

So where I live it's all a moot point, you can own whatever flavor of X5 you want, you ain't taking it tracking or auto-xing anywhere period.

maybe not here in the US, but many X5s drive Nurburgring, even the 45e, so again, one's little corner of the world isn't representative of the diverse X5 ownership

Just some fun at the Ring https://g05.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1866022

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[jiggie]

Originally Posted by nZtiZia

maybe not here in the US, but many X5s drive Nurburgring, even the 45e, so again, one's little corner of the world isn't representative of the diverse X5 ownership

Ive seen vans and small buses go down the ring in person, its pretty much a roadway and open to most until someone decides to get into an accident or its shut down for a track event.

[bmwauug]

Originally Posted by remeeno

augg really means business
got a 2022 X5M50 and with a bit of luck another 2022 X5M

where did you take the healthy run?

Yessir….took the run around town on my local streets….but, with orders coming in ~4 months, I’m holding to order formally until the 23 MY (mid June order banks). I plan to pony my deposit though to secure my allocation !

[Tekhed2]

I own both. The M50 is a great vehicle but mentioning both in the same conversation is funny. If you take one metric into consideration (straight line speed) maybe a small discussion? But overall two different beasts. Both beasts though.

[auggiem3]

I have an M50i on order for PCD in April. It will tow my e92 M3 and f87 M2 competition to the track.

The M50i is super capable and very cool but it is definitively not an M car.

The argument about performance vs prior m cars is moot. I had a Porsche 356 that a modern Prius could crush on track. It's an exaggerated example but one is still a Porsche and the other….obviously not.

I started a separate thread about adding the 50 Jahre M logo option to my build. I checked the box because I thought using a 523 hp v8 with over 500 lb feet of torque to tow real m cars made the SUV eligible for the OEM heritage badges.

M cars are special and on a different level than m sport. Otherwise, why bifurcate?

[Dgjo2022X5MC]

I'm curious what the door placard says on a M50?

Taking the subjective elements out of this string:

If it says BMW M GBH, it's a M car.

If it says Bayerische Motor Works AG it's not made by BMW M GBH, and by definition NOT a M car.

These placards are from out 40i and X5MC.

[Nuckle]

M50i - It's not an M car. After putting 3000 miles on mine it's not even close.

[Dgjo2022X5MC]

Originally Posted by Nuckle

M50i - It's not an M car. After putting 3000 miles on mine it's not even close.

Awesome machines…all of them.

With that said, the door build placard is the final word. That is who made the car.

[iconoclast]

Originally Posted by Dgjo2022X5MC

If it says BMW M GBH, it's a M car.

but it isn't manufactured by the team at BMW M in Germany it is manufactured in SC with the rest of the SAV.