[gonzo]

And the meek shall inheri...fall for anything.

How do they even keep straight faces?
dOoM

[Schn3ll]

Originally Posted by gonzo

And the meek shall inheri...fall for anything.

How do they even keep straight faces?
dOoM

Absolute ghouls.

[BGM-M3COMP]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

I think it's time for...

When the cars come definitely.

[chad86tsi]

Originally Posted by gonzo

And the meek shall inheri...fall for anything.

How do they even keep straight faces?
dOoM

Paid actors have such skills.

Question through, are they planning to break this down to nanoseconds so they still have room to “move the clock”?

[chad86tsi]

A recent report from the Anderson Economic Group (AEG) found that fueling costs from mid-priced ICE-powered vehicles are lower than similarly priced electric vehicles. Combustion drivers pay about $11.29 per 100 miles on the road. EV drivers who charge up at home spend about $11.60 per 100 miles. The price difference is more dramatic for those who mainly recharge at stations. Frequent charging station users pay $14.40 per 100 miles.

https://www.yahoo.com/autos/driving-...000000887.html

Just wait till we start messing with the grid to make new power/capacity to charge new EV's, it will cost much much more.

More from the article :

The massive increase in the report for charging station users versus home chargers is accounted for by the deadhead miles to reach stations and the opportunity cost of waiting for vehicles to charge at stations. The difference highlights the lackluster coverage for electric vehicle charging infrastructure across the United States.

[TargaM2]

[Tejas1836]

Originally Posted by chad86tsi

A recent report from the Anderson Economic Group (AEG) found that fueling costs from mid-priced ICE-powered vehicles are lower than similarly priced electric vehicles. Combustion drivers pay about $11.29 per 100 miles on the road. EV drivers who charge up at home spend about $11.60 per 100 miles. The price difference is more dramatic for those who mainly recharge at stations. Frequent charging station users pay $14.40 per 100 miles.

https://www.yahoo.com/autos/driving-...000000887.html

Just wait till we start messing with the grid to make new power/capacity to charge new EV's, it will cost much much more.

More from the article :

The massive increase in the report for charging station users versus home chargers is accounted for by the deadhead miles to reach stations and the opportunity cost of waiting for vehicles to charge at stations. The difference highlights the lackluster coverage for electric vehicle charging infrastructure across the United States.

Estimated that the power companies will have to spend ~$6,000 for every new EV for the next 8 years to upgrade the infrastructure.

[Socal_R8]

Originally Posted by chad86tsi

A recent report from the Anderson Economic Group (AEG) found that fueling costs from mid-priced ICE-powered vehicles are lower than similarly priced electric vehicles. Combustion drivers pay about $11.29 per 100 miles on the road. EV drivers who charge up at home spend about $11.60 per 100 miles. The price difference is more dramatic for those who mainly recharge at stations. Frequent charging station users pay $14.40 per 100 miles.

https://www.yahoo.com/autos/driving-...000000887.html

Just wait till we start messing with the grid to make new power/capacity to charge new EV's, it will cost much much more.

More from the article :

The massive increase in the report for charging station users versus home chargers is accounted for by the deadhead miles to reach stations and the opportunity cost of waiting for vehicles to charge at stations. The difference highlights the lackluster coverage for electric vehicle charging infrastructure across the United States.

I'm sorry, but if you buy that study I have ocean front property in AZ for sale..

Im guessing AEG was bought and paid for by Exxon....sheeesh that is some dumb ass math.

I don't own an EV, but holy crap that story is laughable at best.

Simple math, it takes about $90 to fill a 20gal tank in California atm (and about $115 to fill same tank not too long ago when gas was over $5 a gallon)that would get you about 500 miles on a 25mpg car

It would cost less than $30 to get same range using super charger station and half that if you charged at home before the trip

[BGM-M3COMP]

Originally Posted by SoCal_NSX

I'm sorry, but if you buy that study I have ocean front property in AZ for sale..

Im guessing AEG was bought and paid for by Exxon....sheeesh that is some dumb ass math.

I don't own an EV, but holy crap that story is laughable at best.

Simple math, it takes about $90 to fill a 20gal tank in California atm (and about $115 to fill same tank not too long ago when gas was over $5 a gallon)that would get you about 500 miles on a 25mpg car

It would cost less than $30 to get same range using super charger station and half that if you charged at home before the trip

I’m going to hit up a supercharger sat morning because the gf is going on a small road trip.

Will find out the total cost. Probably 15 bucks or so. Sure beats 80 or 90 to fill up.

[chad86tsi]

Originally Posted by SoCal_NSX

I'm sorry, but if you buy that study I have ocean front property in AZ for sale..

Im guessing AEG was bought and paid for by Exxon....sheeesh that is some dumb ass math.

I don't own an EV, but holy crap that story is laughable at best.

Simple math, it takes about $90 to fill a 20gal tank in California atm (and about $115 to fill same tank not too long ago when gas was over $5 a gallon)that would get you about 500 miles on a 25mpg car

It would cost less than $30 to get same range using super charger station and half that if you charged at home before the trip

California =/= the rest of the country on gas prices. I'm sorry you live in California, don't take it out on me.

Not all cars get 25 Mpg. Most new cars get 35+. Run the numbers on what national average fuel prices are and 35 mpg and it works out even better than the study. According to the fed, new light passenger cars were over 39MPG in 2017 (newest data in the graph), and have been getting better since. https://www.bts.gov/content/average-...-duty-vehicles

[chad86tsi]

Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

I’m going to hit up a supercharger sat morning because the gf is going on a small road trip.

Will find out the total cost. Probably 15 bucks or so. Sure beats 80 or 90 to fill up.

Be sure to actually click the links and read the study before you report your -actual- costs to drive 100 miles, then average it out with all the other drivers in the US. it would be shame to report incomplete information. There is more to it than the cost of the fuel.

[BGM-M3COMP]

Originally Posted by chad86tsi

Be sure to actually click the links and read the study before you report your -actual- costs to drive 100 miles, then average it out with all the other drivers in the US. it would be shame to report incomplete information. There is more to it than the cost of the fuel.

Not saying you’re wrong but my insurance is cheaper vs my previous ice daily. And my cost to charge is absolutely cheaper than me spending 60-80 per 2 weeks to fill.

Every situation is different. The benefits surely outweigh the cons for me with an ev.

[Socal_R8]

Originally Posted by chad86tsi

California =/= the rest of the country on gas prices. I'm sorry you live in California, don't take it out on me.

Not all cars get 25 Mpg. Most new cars get 35+. Run the numbers on what national average fuel prices are and 35 mpg and it works out even better than the study. According to the fed, new light passenger cars were over 39MPG in 2017 (newest data in the graph), and have been getting better since. https://www.bts.gov/content/average-...-duty-vehicles

The national average for cars is 24.2 mpg

https://afdc.energy.gov/data/mobile/10310

Not everyone drives a Prius or wants to


That study is a joke… there are 100 other recent studies and articles that would highly dispute it.

[chad86tsi]

Originally Posted by SoCal_NSX

The national average for cars is 24.2 mpg

https://afdc.energy.gov/data/mobile/10310

if you are in the market to buy an EV, you are buying a new car, or one built in the last few years. If you are buying a new car or one only a few years old, they average MPG of those cars is in the mid to high 30's. Might even be over 40 these days, the fed is slow to update it's data.

Lets not compare cost to drive a 2022 tesla model 3 to a 1994 chevy Silverado 454. If you look at the links to the criteria used, you will see what I mean.

Not everyone drives a Prius or wants to

True, and those that don't are going to be slow to care about and adopt EV efficiency too. And when power prices go up, it will make that even worse.

That study is a joke… there are 100 other recent studies and articles that would highly dispute it.

Did they use the same criteria? If not, that would be the joke.

[chris719]

Originally Posted by chad86tsi

Not all cars get 25 Mpg. Most new cars get 35+. Run the numbers on what national average fuel prices are and 35 mpg and it works out even better than the study. According to the fed, new light passenger cars were over 39MPG in 2017 (newest data in the graph), and have been getting better since. https://www.bts.gov/content/average-...-duty-vehicles

Most new cars do not get "35+". Especially luxury cars or cars with engines that anyone on this forum would actually drive or want to drive. Anyone with predominantly urban usage will absolutely do far better with an EV.

[BGM-M3COMP]

Originally Posted by chris719

Most new cars do not get "35+". Especially luxury cars or cars with engines that anyone on this forum would actually drive or want to drive. Anyone with predominantly urban usage will absolutely do far better with an EV.

You often phrase things like you are an authority or expert but are just another extremely biased individual.

The average person will spend 60-90 or even 100 bucks to travel 300 miles or a single tank depending.

My last charge session from what I can remember was 18 bucks. This put me around 280 miles of range.

I can’t see how people think it costs less for ice.

[kyriian]

Originally Posted by chris719

Most new cars do not get "35+". Especially luxury cars or cars with engines that anyone on this forum would actually drive or want to drive. Anyone with predominantly urban usage will absolutely do far better with an EV.

The best selling car in the US outside of trucks seems to be the RAV4, the basic all gas front wheel drive version gets 35mpg on the highway, with a starting price of 28k, with higher end hybrid ones you can get into the 40mpg in the city, the most basic model Y starts at 53k before any government rebate. Just stating a fact, and the caveat is always your mileage will vary. Drive a RAV4 like a common M3 owner you’d not hit those numbers. Drive it like a normal non bimmerpost user you’d likely get close

And of course bimmerpost users are totally representative of the common car buyer.

[chad86tsi]

Originally Posted by chris719

Most new cars do not get "35+". Especially luxury cars or cars with engines that anyone on this forum would actually drive or want to drive. Anyone with predominantly urban usage will absolutely do far better with an EV.

If you don’t look at the criteria used in the article, you have no business refuting it’s claims.

[chris719]

Originally Posted by kyriian

The best selling car in the US outside of trucks seems to be the RAV4, the basic all gas front wheel drive version gets 35mpg on the highway, with a starting price of 28k, with higher end hybrid ones you can get into the 40mpg in the city, the most basic model Y starts at 53k before any government rebate. Just stating a fact, and the caveat is always your mileage will vary. Drive a RAV4 like a common M3 owner you’d not hit those numbers. Drive it like a normal non bimmerpost user you’d likely get close

And of course bimmerpost users are totally representative of the common car buyer.

35 EPA on the highway isn't a mixed 35 nor is it usually realistic. Compare like-for-like, a Tesla shopper is cross-shopping an X3 or 3 series or something usually.

[chad86tsi]

Originally Posted by chris719

35 EPA on the highway isn't a mixed 35 nor is it usually realistic. Compare like-for-like, a Tesla shopper is cross-shopping an X3 or 3 series or something usually.

Note Tesla is not mentioned as a basis of the study before you proceed.

And what is an ionic5, id4, hummer ev, plaid, x, y, i4, bolt, ipace, ev6, rivian , lucid, lightning, etron , mache, Taycan, gv60 , etc, etc. cross shopping to? The article didn’t cherry-pick and mix vehicle class. If it did, we would likely be comparing a hummer ev to a Prius.

[chris719]

Originally Posted by chad86tsi

Note Tesla is not mentioned as a basis of the study before you proceed.

And what is an ionic5, id4, hummer ev, plaid, x, y, i4, bolt, ipace, ev6, rivian , lucid, lightning, etron , mache, Taycan, gv60 , etc, etc. cross shopping to? The article didn’t cherry-pick and mix vehicle class. If it did, we would likely be comparing a hummer ev to a Prius.

I'm not talking about your stupid study, which is an outlier, btw. Just basic truths.

[chad86tsi]

Originally Posted by chris719

I'm not talking about your stupid study, which is an outlier, btw. Just basic truths.

cherry-picking and changing the location and shape of the goal post is how you want to discuss this, I get it.

like that study that shows a Hummer EV produced more C02 per mile than a 32 MPG ICE Malibu? Just another silly outlier, regardless of the fact that it's factually true.