[dizz81]

Originally Posted by x622

pfft you don't get it bro, this thing has N badges. N BADGES. Don't you have any idea what that means? A real enthusiast would. This is the premier brand of enthusiast cars and you need to be happy they're catering to a market that doesn't exist.

[Redd]

Thanks for this review! This is the first interesting EV I've seen. Looks like Ex-BMW M head is still working his magic at Hyundai.

[Davil]

Nice review. They are kind of cool but not for me. I can see the appeal though.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by Tambohamilton

+1. If you have an EV, why the hell would you also give it the worst parts of an ICE? If you really want ICE that much, buy one instead. The rest of the car seems good though. Thanks for taking the time. Hyundai are probably my favourite car brand nowadays - way ahead of BMW for sure.

Some may say the adds are the BEST parts of ICE

[freakystyly]

Meh, fake DCT is more enjoyable than fart noises IMO. The Ioniq 5N might perform but it's still a porky SUV. The super fast charging seems like it would shorten the lifespan considerably as well, further driving down the depreciation (yet to be proven). I know they are intentionally keeping short production runs to try to balance this..

Still waiting on better, lighter battery tech to finally be released before EVs are even considered personally. Feels like solid state or whatever new tech has been just around the corner for a decade already.

[dreamingat30fps]

Originally Posted by x622

pfft you don't get it bro, this thing has N badges. N BADGES. Don't you have any idea what that means? A real enthusiast would. This is the premier brand of enthusiast cars and you need to be happy they're catering to a market that doesn't exist.

Damn right! Plus N is higher than M... enthusiasts know higher == moar better. Who the fuck wants an M car when you can have an N car???

[Tambohamilton]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Some may say the adds are the BEST parts of ICE

Yeah, I know what you mean. But why not have the ev's seamless power and just play a computer game while you drive or something? It's adding needless driver input and slowing the car down...I just don't see the point! I enjoy changing gear, but only because it's necessary for my car.

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by Tambohamilton

Yeah, I know what you mean. But why not have the ev's seamless power and just play a computer game while you drive or something? It's adding needless driver input and slowing the car down...I just don't see the point! I enjoy changing gear, but only because it's necessary for my car.

Its not mandatory. The simulated gearbox is a feature that can turn on and off seamlessly. You can easily put it into its pure EV mode with maximum power, and then feel free to adjust other settings for track or drag use. To me though, the simulated gearbox is what transforms and allows this EV to provide more feedback to the driver as well as reference points for speed and set it apart from EVs like the Taycan and i4 which are clinical feeling.

[Tambohamilton]

Yeah, hard pass from me. Same with fake engine noises.

[DFW_M]

Originally Posted by dgoldenz

You can get a pretty decent 991.1 S for $68k with way less than 60k miles. Yes these are different vehicles but they're trying to appeal to the enthusiast audience, the same type of people who would be interest in a 911/M3/RS6/etc. It's just shocking to see a Hyundai with a $68k price tag. That is a lot of money for a pile of plastic and crappy quality interior with a battery. $68k buys A LOT of incredibly nice used cars. No, it won't be brand new, but it also won't be worth $30k less in a year like this Hyundai. On top of the price tag, the range is horrible.

Also, 911 maintenance isn't that expensive. I've had 7 of them and never had to do anything but routine maintenance and tires. Oil change is $200. The big 40k service is $1200-1500. If you're worried about repairs, buy CPO or get a Fidelity Platinum warranty.

Can you please send me the link of the 991.1 with low miles for under $65k that you would put your own money in.

First, Hyundai is not what it used to be and they do have their own $100k luxury sedan that is very reliable, great build and great looking.
And second, modern Porsche has as much, if not even more plastics in them today...
But comparing a 10-year old used true sport car (911) with a brand new, latest technology, semi-SUV, Korean EV with $0 out of pocket cost next X years plus their long drivetrain warranty makes no sense...

[TheMidnightNarwhal]

The future with no ICE doesn't seem to bad after all. If only they do this to a more normal looking 2 door car.

[BlkGS]

Ugly and way too much money. I'm sure the 27 people who buy them will like them.

[dgoldenz]

Originally Posted by DFW_M

Can you please send me the link of the 991.1 with low miles for under $65k that you would put your own money in.

First, Hyundai is not what it used to be and they do have their own $100k luxury sedan that is very reliable, great build and great looking.
And second, modern Porsche has as much, if not even more plastics in them today...
But comparing a 10-year old used true sport car (911) with a brand new, latest technology, semi-SUV, Korean EV with $0 out of pocket cost next X years plus their long drivetrain warranty makes no sense...

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2012-porsche-911-991-carrera-s-coupe-14/

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2014-porsche-911-carrera-4s-coupe-11/

Plenty of others out there. Do 911’s suddenly explode at 50k miles now?

That car is a giant pile of plastic and screens with a battery for $69k. They’re going to have to sell these for $20k off within a year to have a chance of moving them.

I am comparing what you can get for similar money. If you’d rather be driving this electric POS instead of a 911, ok then. They are marketing this car to the enthusiastic crowd, which means they have to compete in that space for the same dollars.

[DFW_M]

Originally Posted by dgoldenz

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2012-porsche-911-991-carrera-s-coupe-14/

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...a-4s-coupe-11/

Plenty of others out there. Do 911’s suddenly explode at 50k miles now?

That car is a giant pile of plastic and screens with a battery for $69k. They’re going to have to sell these for $20k off within a year to have a chance of moving them.

I am comparing what you can get for similar money. If you’d rather be driving this electric POS instead of a 911, ok then. They are marketing this car to the enthusiastic crowd, which means they have to compete in that space for the same dollars.

Electric modern car with years of b2b warranty, latest tech or a 12 year old out of warranty Porsche.
I’d rather be driving any Porsche but would not go into a 12yo sports car that was most likely driven like one for 50k+ miles.

I am not into EVs at all and this simulation thing does not get me excited at all either.
If someone gave me the choice to grab this EV or a 12yo 911 for free, I’d take the 911.
If someone offered me the choice between the two for $65k, I would not take the 911

[dgoldenz]

Originally Posted by DFW_M

Electric modern car with years of b2b warranty, latest tech or a 12 year old out of warranty Porsche.
I’d rather be driving any Porsche but would not go into a 12yo sports car that was most likely driven like one for 50k+ miles.

I am not into EVs at all and this simulation thing does not get me excited at all either.
If someone gave me the choice to grab this EV or a 12yo 911 for free, I’d take the 911.
If someone offered me the choice between the two for $65k, I would not take the 911

You can just buy a Fidelity platinum warranty or CPO if you’re worried about repair cost though. A 911 can easily go well over 100k miles with no issues at all. 50k is barely broken in.

The point is they are playing in the luxury/high end car segment at this price point and that’s an incredibly tough sell. For people that can afford a $70k car and want something fun to drive, what is compelling about this over all of the other options? The awful range is a major issue. Cool car for $40k (which is what they’ll sell for next year). Terrible car for $70k.

[DFW_M]

Originally Posted by dgoldenz

You can just buy a Fidelity platinum warranty or CPO if you’re worried about repair cost though. A 911 can easily go well over 100k miles with no issues at all. 50k is barely broken in.

The point is they are playing in the luxury/high end car segment at this price point and that’s an incredibly tough sell. For people that can afford a $70k car and want something fun to drive, what is compelling about this over all of the other options? The awful range is a major issue. Cool car for $40k (which is what they’ll sell for next year). Terrible car for $70k.

Model 3 performance with basic add ons sells for over $60k and is as boring as it gets, loaded with plastics, worse quality than Hyundai and less warranty than Hyundai. Why do you think this car is worth $20k+ less than the Model 3 Performance.


I4 M50 starts at $70k, easily adds up to 90k
Does the BMW badge make it worth $20k+ over this? Why?

[dgoldenz]

Originally Posted by DFW_M

Model 3 performance with basic add ons sells for over $60k and is as boring as it gets, loaded with plastics, worse quality than Hyundai and less warranty than Hyundai. Why do you think this car is worth $20k+ less than the Model 3 Performance.


I4 M50 starts at $70k, easily adds up to 90k
Does the BMW badge make it worth $20k+ over this? Why?

I don’t think any of them are worth what they cost. At least the Tesla has better range.

[DFW_M]

Originally Posted by dgoldenz

I don’t think any of them are worth what they cost. At least the Tesla has better range.

But Tesla sells more cars than all of Ms and 911s combined...

Range becomes irrelevant if you can charge faster. I have heard that latest Polestar can charge to 80% in 10 minutes.

[RM7]

Originally Posted by DFW_M

Electric modern car with years of b2b warranty, latest tech or a 12 year old out of warranty Porsche.
I’d rather be driving any Porsche but would not go into a 12yo sports car that was most likely driven like one for 50k+ miles.

I am not into EVs at all and this simulation thing does not get me excited at all either.
If someone gave me the choice to grab this EV or a 12yo 911 for free, I’d take the 911.
If someone offered me the choice between the two for $65k, I would not take the 911

Yep, my buddy recently bought a used 6cyl Cayman and got a third party warranty, just a couple weeks after purchasing, engine crapped out. 3rd party warranty wasn't "in effect" yet, due to a mandatory waiting period before it's effective. Porsche recommending a full rebuild of the block. He may be able to get away with less, but still many thousands of dollars into that failure.

Anyone that doesn't think there's plastic on that old porsche is dumb.

[BlkGS]

Originally Posted by DFW_M

Model 3 performance with basic add ons sells for over $60k and is as boring as it gets, loaded with plastics, worse quality than Hyundai and less warranty than Hyundai. Why do you think this car is worth $20k+ less than the Model 3 Performance.


I4 M50 starts at $70k, easily adds up to 90k
Does the BMW badge make it worth $20k+ over this? Why?

A model 3 performance is 55k before tax rebates. They were significantly cheaper not too long ago. Anyone spending 60k on one is a total bonehead.

[DFW_M]

Originally Posted by BlkGS

A model 3 performance is 55k before tax rebates. They were significantly cheaper not too long ago. Anyone spending 60k on one is a total bonehead.

Model 3 Performance with no add ons (basic) that Hyundai comes with is $55k, quickly gets to $60+. Tax rebates apply to both so I am not sure why even bringing it into conversation. Also, any discounts will be applicable to both -- either compare MSRP to MSRP or discounted to discounted. If the demand requires the Model 3 to be discounted, I am pretty sure the Hyundai will be selling for under the MSRP.
And Hyundai looks cooler than Model 3 that looked the same last 10 years, it has more room than the 3...
And then you have the i4, i5, Rivians, and plenty of other boring, plastic filled EVs that sell for wayyyy over $60k

[BlkGS]

Originally Posted by DFW_M

Model 3 Performance with no add ons (basic) that Hyundai comes with is $55k, quickly gets to $60+. Tax rebates apply to both so I am not sure why even bringing it into conversation. Also, any discounts will be applicable to both -- either compare MSRP to MSRP or discounted to discounted. If the demand requires the Model 3 to be discounted, I am pretty sure the Hyundai will be selling for under the MSRP.
And Hyundai looks cooler than Model 3 that looked the same last 10 years, it has more room than the 3...
And then you have the i4, i5, Rivians, and plenty of other boring, plastic filled EVs that sell for wayyyy over $60k

What addon's? The stupid self driving BS? It's not like teslas have options packages, lol.

I wouldn't buy either of them, so it's a moot point to me.