[snerkler]

Originally Posted by jad03060

Sport mode assumes you want maximum performance, and on most engines, maximum power arrives closer to the upper RPM limits, so yes, it will hold onto the gears to reach those limits. OTOH, maximum efficiency is to get to top gear so the engine can loaf along at lower RPMs. Balancing those two features is an art. If you manually shift, you can control the effects to your liking, but like any manual, if you misjudge things, you often won't achieve the vehicle's maximum capabilities or be as smooth at it. Personally, I prefer smooth versus aggressive acceleration most of the time, especially if I have passengers. In reality, you rarely get where you're going much faster, and certainly tend to use more energy along the way. Once in a while, it can be fun, but in day-to-day operations, I don't find it useful.

Thanks, I understand how sport mode etc works in terms of sporty vs relaxed driving, I was just querying the S1-S8 whether they’re referring to selecting gears 1-8 or whether you can tweak the sport setting to suit.

I know when I had my M3 I could tweak things like throttle response on my manual one, and the on my DCT one I could tweak etc things like how aggressive the gear changes were, and in auto changing these things would have an impact on how early it downshifted under acceleration and how much it held onto revs.

One of the reasons I never use sport mode in my current X5 is it holds onto the revs too long, not in terms of acceleration as you want to rev high, but if you’ve just had a bit of fun and then hold a steady throttle it keeps the revs too high for too long until it realises you’re no longer wanting to drive so aggressively.

I appreciate these things aren’t mind readers but they can be ‘fooled’ too easily imo.

[nZtiZia]

Originally Posted by snerkler

Thanks, I understand how sport mode etc works in terms of sporty vs relaxed driving, I was just querying the S1-S8 whether they’re referring to selecting gears 1-8 or whether you can tweak the sport setting to suit.

I know when I had my M3 I could tweak things like throttle response on my manual one, and the on my DCT one I could tweak etc things like how aggressive the gear changes were, and in auto changing these things would have an impact on how early it downshifted under acceleration and how much it held onto revs.

One of the reasons I never use sport mode in my current X5 is it holds onto the revs too long, not in terms of acceleration as you want to rev high, but if you’ve just had a bit of fun and then hold a steady throttle it keeps the revs too high for too long until it realises you’re no longer wanting to drive so aggressively.

I appreciate these things aren’t mind readers but they can be ‘fooled’ too easily imo.

automatic transmissions have greatly advanced since our fathers’ era, but it’ll never be the same as a manual transmission with regards to one’s rev preferences/control

have you looked into customizing Sport Individual settings? maybe changing transmission to Comfort won’t hold the revs as high…

[Mattl0806]

Second the idea of Sport individual with comfort transmission setting. It is a sweet spot. Some times comfort suspension needed too. Just want a peppier engine and tighter steering.

[eelnoraa]

Originally Posted by snerkler

Thanks, I understand how sport mode etc works in terms of sporty vs relaxed driving, I was just querying the S1-S8 whether they’re referring to selecting gears 1-8 or whether you can tweak the sport setting to suit.

I know when I had my M3 I could tweak things like throttle response on my manual one, and the on my DCT one I could tweak etc things like how aggressive the gear changes were, and in auto changing these things would have an impact on how early it downshifted under acceleration and how much it held onto revs.

One of the reasons I never use sport mode in my current X5 is it holds onto the revs too long, not in terms of acceleration as you want to rev high, but if you’ve just had a bit of fun and then hold a steady throttle it keeps the revs too high for too long until it realises you’re no longer wanting to drive so aggressively.

I appreciate these things aren’t mind readers but they can be ‘fooled’ too easily imo.

We are talking about PHEV/45e/50e, right?

I have 45e. I would say Sport D, hybrid with ICE on and Electric, the shift quality and pattern is very similar, Sport D does NOT hold gear more than hybrid with ICE on or Electric. In Sport S (S1-S8), it is where shift become more abrupt, and lower gears are hold for longer. Can you just use Sport D, and not Sport S?

[snerkler]

Originally Posted by nZtiZia

automatic transmissions have greatly advanced since our fathers’ era, but it’ll never be the same as a manual transmission with regards to one’s rev preferences/control

have you looked into customizing Sport Individual settings? maybe changing transmission to Comfort won’t hold the revs as high…

I did try it in comfort transmission and it did still hold onto the revs for a while when I went back to 'cruising', but as I've just said on another thread I am contemplating going out for another test drive to see if I can 'drive around' the quirks.

Originally Posted by Mattl0806

Second the idea of Sport individual with comfort transmission setting. It is a sweet spot. Some times comfort suspension needed too. Just want a peppier engine and tighter steering.

Thanks, see my reply above.

Originally Posted by eelnoraa

We are talking about PHEV/45e/50e, right?

I have 45e. I would say Sport D, hybrid with ICE on and Electric, the shift quality and pattern is very similar, Sport D does NOT hold gear more than hybrid with ICE on or Electric. In Sport S (S1-S8), it is where shift become more abrupt, and lower gears are hold for longer. Can you just use Sport D, and not Sport S?

Thanks, I'm talking both my current F15 30d M sport and the current 50e M sport, and both in sport but automatic shifting. Lets say you're at some lights in a 40mph zone and when the lights change you give it some gas up to 40mph and then come of the gas to cruise at 40mph teh car will hold the revs for a few seconds, realise you don't want to gun it anymore and then shift up. Likewise if you floor it to overtake a car, when you've finished overtaking it'll hold the revs high for a few seconds before shifting up.

[snerkler]

Been out in the 50e again today and it's not for me. I just really don't like the engine, and the seat is incredibly uncomfortable for me. I've actually found the reason why, the side bolster on the bottom of the seat now has a metal bar (I assume for support) but there's not enough padding and so my leg presses into the metal bar (I'm 6'4 and 120kg/266lb). In my X5 there is not metal in the side bolster on the base of the seat.

[PunsGalore]

Originally Posted by snerkler

Been out in the 50e again today and it's not for me. I just really don't like the engine, and the seat is incredibly uncomfortable for me. I've actually found the reason why, the side bolster on the bottom of the seat now has a metal bar (I assume for support) but there's not enough padding and so my leg presses into the metal bar (I'm 6'4 and 120kg/266lb). In my X5 there is not metal in the side bolster on the base of the seat.

Did you have the upgraded seats? When you say you don't like the engine, do you mean THE ENGINE (B58) or do you not like the Plug in hybrid aspect?

[nZtiZia]

Originally Posted by snerkler

Been out in the 50e again today and it's not for me. I just really don't like the engine, and the seat is incredibly uncomfortable for me. I've actually found the reason why, the side bolster on the bottom of the seat now has a metal bar (I assume for support) but there's not enough padding and so my leg presses into the metal bar (I'm 6'4 and 120kg/266lb). In my X5 there is not metal in the side bolster on the base of the seat.

there are different seat types. do you know which were installed?

[snerkler]

Originally Posted by PunsGalore

Did you have the upgraded seats? When you say you don't like the engine, do you mean THE ENGINE (B58) or do you not like the Plug in hybrid aspect?

Originally Posted by nZtiZia

there are different seat types. do you know which were installed?

They were the comfort seats. I know there's two kinds of seats but all the stock cars have the comfort pack.

With regards to the engine, yes it the whole engine as a whole. Driving electric was actually better than I thought, nippy enough for general driving and smooth. The petrol engine is of course lovely, but the only way you can force the engine to be used all the time is sport mode and as I've mentioned previously I find it kicks down to often, and if you've revved it and then drive normally it holds onto the higher revs for several seconds, sometimes probably as many as 10 seconds before it then shifts up allowing a more normal cruising rev.

Hybrid for me is just awful, constantly swapping from electric to ICE and having an obvious delay. Now clearly it's the way I drive as others don't get this. I am a fairly aggressive driver on the whole, but I'm not going to change a 30 year way of driving

The only time I liked it was in sport mode (so using the ICE) and being in manual shift (M1-M8). This way it behaved more how I want it, however compared to other cars I've driven the flappy paddles aren't very responsive.

It's just not for me, I get others love it and that's great, but we all don't like the same thing

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by snerkler

They were the comfort seats. I know there's two kinds of seats but all the stock cars have the comfort pack.

With regards to the engine, yes it the whole engine as a whole. Driving electric was actually better than I thought, nippy enough for general driving and smooth. The petrol engine is of course lovely, but the only way you can force the engine to be used all the time is sport mode and as I've mentioned previously I find it kicks down to often, and if you've revved it and then drive normally it holds onto the higher revs for several seconds, sometimes probably as many as 10 seconds before it then shifts up allowing a more normal cruising rev.

Hybrid for me is just awful, constantly swapping from electric to ICE and having an obvious delay. Now clearly it's the way I drive as others don't get this. I am a fairly aggressive driver on the whole, but I'm not going to change a 30 year way of driving

The only time I liked it was in sport mode (so using the ICE) and being in manual shift (M1-M8). This way it behaved more how I want it, however compared to other cars I've driven the flappy paddles aren't very responsive.

It's just not for me, I get others love it and that's great, but we all don't like the same thing

Get the 40i and you should be fine. You likely should just ignore any discomfort you had with the seats as that can probably be taken care of by adjusting it correctly, sometimes it will takes weeks or more until a person dials in the settings.

[snerkler]

Originally Posted by TurtleBoy

Get the 40i and you should be fine. You likely should just ignore any discomfort you had with the seats as that can probably be taken care of by adjusting it correctly, sometimes it will takes weeks or more until a person dials in the settings.

I was looking at the hybrid because it offers better tax benefit for the business, not as good as an EV mind.

I disagree about the seat, it's not the positioning of it, it's the fact that there's a metal support in the bolster that unfortunately presses into my leg and no matter how much you adjust it that's not going to change. Trust me I tried every seat position going as I really wanted the car (until I didn't get on with the engine).

[JMD]

Originally Posted by nZtiZia

snerkler on the topic of “underpowered”, one thing (well, two) you don’t want to do is:
1) run out of fuel AND battery charge, obviously
2) run out of fuel. you don’t want to be left with only electric power available as it’s not powerful enough for emergent maneuvers. (I tested this myself.) it’s also bad for the fuel system lines to run out of fuel

The OP should have the same concerns about running out of fuel with a 50e as he does with any ICE vehicle be it Gas or Diesel! This is like 'driving 101'!!,..Right!!!

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by snerkler

I disagree about the seat, it's not the positioning of it, it's the fact that there's a metal support in the bolster that unfortunately presses into my leg and no matter how much you adjust it that's not going to change. Trust me I tried every seat position going as I really wanted the car (until I didn't get on with the engine).

Unlikely but you have to be comfortable with your decision.

[snerkler]

Originally Posted by TurtleBoy

Unlikely but you have to be comfortable with your decision.

Lol, I love how people that weren't even there try to tell you you're wrong I tried it and sat in it and I had a good look and feel at what was pressing into my leg.

I also tried raising the seat up, putting it down, raising the front more, raising the rear more, extending the thigh support, retracting the thigh support, I even tried moving the backrest to see if a more leaned back or upright posture would help.

I even showed the guy at the dealership and he agreed it wasn't the best move putting the metal support in the side bolster.

[snerkler]

Originally Posted by JMD

The OP should have the same concerns about running out of fuel with a 50e as he does with any ICE vehicle be it Gas or Diesel! This is like 'driving 101'!!,..Right!!!

Yeah, I've kinda always known that running out of fuel is not a good idea

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by snerkler

Lol, I love how people that weren't even there try to tell you you're wrong I tried it and sat in it and I had a good look and feel at what was pressing into my leg.

I also tried raising the seat up, putting it down, raising the front more, raising the rear more, extending the thigh support, retracting the thigh support, I even tried moving the backrest to see if a more leaned back or upright posture would help.

I even showed the guy at the dealership and he agreed it wasn't the best move putting the metal support in the side bolster.

Didn't have to be there to know you are wrong, just takes some knowledge. There are thousands of combinations of the seat settings and it is unlikely you went through them all. As I said, it doesn't matter since you need to be comfortable with your purchase decision. From what we have seen, it can take some people many weeks to find the comfortable settings for them. If you think that you will be someone who can't find a comfortable position then there is no point in you moving forward and trying it.

[snerkler]

Originally Posted by TurtleBoy

Didn't have to be there to know you are wrong, just takes some knowledge. There are thousands of combinations of the seat settings and it is unlikely you went through them all.

OK, tell me what adjustment I missed out? Tell me there's not a metal support in the bolster? It doesn't matter what posistion the seat is my leg rests on the bolster end of.

Part of my job is dealing with ergonomics, I know how to set things up

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by snerkler

OK, tell me what adjustment I missed out? Tell me there's not a metal support in the bolster? It doesn't matter what posistion the seat is my leg rests on the bolster end of.

Part of my job is dealing with ergonomics, I know how to set things up

Never mind, you obviously aren't following how the seats work and are adjusted. It is a moot point, you don't like the engine and the bar in the seat that no one else seems to feel. Just move on.

[jad03060]

More than a few people have found that it takes them a while to get the seat fully dialed into their specific comfort zone. Now, if you're a larger person, the sport seats may feel too tight, but the comfort ones have so many adjustments, it would be rare to not find one that you eventually liked...but, seems that's not the only thing you didn't like, so not worth the effort. That's why there are lots of choices in the world...you can't please everyone.

[snerkler]

Originally Posted by TurtleBoy

From what we have seen, it can take some people many weeks to find the comfortable settings for them. If you think that you will be someone who can't find a comfortable position then there is no point in you moving forward and trying it.

OK, I've been driving for 30 years, I've driven well over 50 cars, as well as some vans, I know how seats work. Yes it can take time to bed them in, and find the ultimate comfortable position, but you can also work out pretty quick which seats don't suit you.

When I was saying it was uncomfortable I'm talking my leg was screaming after half an hour, I tried to tolerate it but after 45 mins my leg and foot went numb and I just had to get out. No amount of fettling is going to fix that.

I appreciate you've been trying to help but you're not me, your body size and weight is different, we will sit differently. I'm not a moron, please don't think I don't know what I'm doing.

[snerkler]

Originally Posted by TurtleBoy

Never mind, you obviously aren't following how the seats work and are adjusted. It is a moot point, you don't like the engine and the bar in the seat that no one else seems to feel. Just move on.

Please see my post above. Not being funny but you're starting to get a bit condesending now.

[snerkler]

Originally Posted by jad03060

More than a few people have found that it takes them a while to get the seat fully dialed into their specific comfort zone. Now, if you're a larger person, the sport seats may feel too tight, but the comfort ones have so many adjustments, it would be rare to not find one that you eventually liked...but, seems that's not the only thing you didn't like, so not worth the effort. That's why there are lots of choices in the world...you can't please everyone.

As I've said to turtle, it's not about finding a comfortable position it is purely my leg resting on the side bolster. Now unless I rip the bolster off or remove the metal support nothing is going to fix it.