[Clippers015]

With concerns over these battery issues here in the US, I would have gone with a tesla X but there is no tax rebate anymore on those. May still go that way even though it is ugly as heck. I am still hoping to get a decent deal on a X5e, but if not, might need to just get a regular x5 40i. Which would be a downer but okay backup option.

[Tommy11220]

I did the same metal exercise when my 45e could not be handed over at the end of September. I was impressed with the improved Teslas (Model S, the 3 would be too much of a compromise) but eventually the shortcomings compared to the BMW became apparent and piling up - at roughly the same price / lease. To make it short, after doing some research into the alternatives acceptable to me (Q7 and GLE) it was even more clear that there is no comparison to the 45e. Again, this is massively subjective but I did not feel the Audi at all and I don't like a 4 cylinder in a car this size, even in a hybrid GLE). That's why I placed a new order for the X5 45e, knowing all too well this will add a few more months to the annoying wait. But at the end of the day, this was the car I wanted in the first place, it's gonna cost me a hefty sum and with that in mind I am unwilling to compromise.

[awesoM]

not sure how true this article is.. seems someone has started legal suit against BMW.

https://carbuzz.com/news/angry-bmw-o...hybrid-battery

BMW should do the right thing and replace the batteries and claim it against Samsung since it was their fault.

[AlexG05be]

Originally Posted by awesoM

not sure how true this article is.. seems someone has started legal suit against BMW.

https://carbuzz.com/news/angry-bmw-o...hybrid-battery

BMW should do the right thing and replace the batteries and claim it against Samsung since it was their fault.

It is true except for one thing, there have been at least 3 fires: one in Belgium close from Liège, 2 in Germany. Chances of him winning are low. However, let’s hope that this bad PR make them accelerate to find and implement a permanent solution.

[codex57]

Originally Posted by Tommy11220

I did the same metal exercise when my 45e could not be handed over at the end of September. I was impressed with the improved Teslas (Model S, the 3 would be too much of a compromise) but eventually the shortcomings compared to the BMW became apparent and piling up - at roughly the same price / lease. To make it short, after doing some research into the alternatives acceptable to me (Q7 and GLE) it was even more clear that there is no comparison to the 45e. Again, this is massively subjective but I did not feel the Audi at all and I don't like a 4 cylinder in a car this size, even in a hybrid GLE). That's why I placed a new order for the X5 45e, knowing all too well this will add a few more months to the annoying wait. But at the end of the day, this was the car I wanted in the first place, it's gonna cost me a hefty sum and with that in mind I am unwilling to compromise.

Definitely at this price, you MUST get what you really want and not compromise. Teslas are fantastic (I own one), but VERY different. They're FAR from perfect. We're still getting the 45e precisely because it is so different than Tesla in certain ways. There's no perfect car yet so we felt having one BMW and one Tesla balanced things out.

[martin mustang]

Hi Tommy, when my wife opted of our current 40e 4 cylinder back in 2017, I was like you worried about the size, weight of the car with the added batterie and all, but I can tell you from experience, the electric motor surely takes care fully of the 4 pot engine, the performance is simply excellent specially with every day driving, the 45e with a 6 pot engine is of course simply “have your cake and eat it too” scenario, the 4 pot still delivers plenty!

Originally Posted by Tommy11220

I did the same metal exercise when my 45e could not be handed over at the end of September. I was impressed with the improved Teslas (Model S, the 3 would be too much of a compromise) but eventually the shortcomings compared to the BMW became apparent and piling up - at roughly the same price / lease. To make it short, after doing some research into the alternatives acceptable to me (Q7 and GLE) it was even more clear that there is no comparison to the 45e. Again, this is massively subjective but I did not feel the Audi at all and I don't like a 4 cylinder in a car this size, even in a hybrid GLE). That's why I placed a new order for the X5 45e, knowing all too well this will add a few more months to the annoying wait. But at the end of the day, this was the car I wanted in the first place, it's gonna cost me a hefty sum and with that in mind I am unwilling to compromise.

[X5 45e]

Originally Posted by AlexG05be

It is true except for one thing, there have been at least 3 fires: one in Belgium close from Liège, 2 in Germany. Chances of him winning are low. However, let’s hope that this bad PR make them accelerate to find and implement a permanent solution.

With the one in Liege there are two fires in Belgium. First reported about a year ago in Flanders.

So 4 in total?

[Tom dew]

Thé one in Belgium was lit.

[biterror]

Next one... https://www.theverge.com/2020/11/13/...y-fire-lg-chem

[AlexG05be]

Originally Posted by Tom dew

Thé one in Belgium was lit.

There were 2 in BE: first one on a school parking was lit according to BMW investigation (owner was active on this forum and gave some details) ; second one on an Ikea parking in Liège (got some pictures to see from another forum member but it was never officially published and there was no media coverage)

[stevieb27]

Hi all, this week is the week.....or is it!!!

Fingers crossed we get some concrete information and a firm update.

If I hear anything I will be sure to add here!

[9uman9y]

Originally Posted by AlexG05be

Based on the lack of visibility to ever get this car, and since this issue might impact the resell value, I started to look for another car in case I decide to cancel my (way too) long awaited car. I need some space for 3 teenagers and a dog, and I want a SUV (preferably German), so short list is:
- BMW 45e not recalled - very few on the market at prohibitive prices
- Audi Q7 TFSI e 55 but no possibility to get fiscal bonus and limited stock available
- Audi eTron 95kw: plenty of stock but very limited autonomy for a family car I’d take on long trips
- Audi Q7 50 TDI: good old diesel but heavy taxes...
- BMW X5 30d or 40i: same story a bit cheaper
- Mercedes 350de phev - I like the brand less but at least there is no open issue
- other? (Volvo, Range Rover)...

Anybody considering the same ? Not even sure I ever want a BMW after this episode...

X7 - plenty of room for a big family. Fantastic ride quality. Like it even more than similarly speced 45e (forgetting the recall story for now)

[AlexG05be]

Just got my dealer over the phone, still no communication from BMW group at this point... as expected. He promised me an update in written by EOD tomorrow. Will keep you updated

[codex57]

Originally Posted by Tom dew

Thé one in Belgium was lit.

What do you mean by it "was lit"? Sorry, but did you mean it was intentionally set on fire? Was it visibly in flames? Was it "lit" as in "really cool party thing"?

[X5 45e]

Originally Posted by codex57

What do you mean by it "was lit"? Sorry, but did you mean it was intentionally set on fire? Was it visibly in flames? Was it "lit" as in "really cool party thing"?

It completely burned up in flames. Really bad fire.

The conclusion from insurance and BMW experts however was that the car was intentionally set on fire and that it was not a problem with the car it self or an accident.

Based on the location in the vehicle were the fire started I think.

[codex57]

Originally Posted by X5 45e

It completely burned up in flames. Really bad fire.

The conclusion from insurance and BMW experts however was that the car was intentionally set on fire and that it was not a problem with the car it self or an accident.

Based on the location in the vehicle were the fire started I think.

Thanks! Intentional is good for us, as it's unrelated to any manufacturing problems.

[AlexG05be]

Originally Posted by X5 45e

It completely burned up in flames. Really bad fire.

The conclusion from insurance and BMW experts however was that the car was intentionally set on fire and that it was not a problem with the car it self or an accident.

Based on the location in the vehicle were the fire started I think.

Fire started on the front right wheel - as seen on the video footage of the incident. No battery there and no reason for a fire to start spontaneously on that spot as far as I understood.

[Tom dew]

Originally Posted by codex57

What do you mean by it "was lit"? Sorry, but did you mean it was intentionally set on fire? Was it visibly in flames? Was it "lit" as in "really cool party thing"?

I was set on fire

[X5 45e]

Originally Posted by AlexG05be

Fire started on the front right wheel - as seen on the video footage of the incident. No battery there and no reason for a fire to start spontaneously on that spot as far as I understood.

But it quite a convenient conclusion for BMW and also kind of strange. I wonder how difficult it is to put a car on fire to burn down completely. Or maybe I am just naive.

[codex57]

Originally Posted by X5 45e

But it quite a convenient conclusion for BMW and also kind of strange. I wonder how difficult it is to put a car on fire to burn down completely. Or maybe I am just naive.

Oh it's not that hard, especially if it's intentional according to my old firefighter neighbors. In America, it's fairly common for insurance fraud purposes. I suppose lately, there have been several instances where luxury cars have been set on fire on purpose as an act of protest by certain groups. They've hit up entire dealerships before. In certain cities (San Francisco in particular), certain cars are targeted (Tesla especially).

[Clippers015]

Originally Posted by Tommy11220

I did the same metal exercise when my 45e could not be handed over at the end of September. I was impressed with the improved Teslas (Model S, the 3 would be too much of a compromise) but eventually the shortcomings compared to the BMW became apparent and piling up - at roughly the same price / lease. To make it short, after doing some research into the alternatives acceptable to me (Q7 and GLE) it was even more clear that there is no comparison to the 45e. Again, this is massively subjective but I did not feel the Audi at all and I don't like a 4 cylinder in a car this size, even in a hybrid GLE). That's why I placed a new order for the X5 45e, knowing all too well this will add a few more months to the annoying wait. But at the end of the day, this was the car I wanted in the first place, it's gonna cost me a hefty sum and with that in mind I am unwilling to compromise.

For a car at this price point, I agree. I dont want to compromise either. Going to stick to the plan and work to get a X5e that is a more recent build. I hated the Tesla X. S is okay but prefer the SUV type vehicle. I think I may look into replacing the 3 series with the Model 3 to have one all electric vehicle.

[GrussGott]

Originally Posted by Clippers015

For a car at this price point, I agree. I dont want to compromise either. Going to stick to the plan and work to get a X5e that is a more recent build. I hated the Tesla X. S is okay but prefer the SUV type vehicle. I think I may look into replacing the 3 series with the Model 3 to have one all electric vehicle.

Yeah, we cancelled our 45e and are in a holding pattern - Tesla is out and really anything full electric (avail in the US) as we'll be using this one for a lot of freeway miles. Currently also considering the Macan S as it's a great drivers car and purposely engineered for OG car people: analog gauges, buttons that push, levers that move, knobs that turn and a minimum of new-fangled technology - kind of the inverse of the 45e Might be a fun final vehicle before the inevitable tech deluge. If not, looking at the 40i or 50i.

I would be down for the iX3 but they're not selling them in the US! WTF?