[eelnoraa]

Yeah, I don’t mean I want to understand BMW’s marketing decisions. It is whining for sure. I just tent to be more critical on thing I care about.

[jad03060]

I live in a townhouse. My power input runs through multiple units through their finished basements' ceilings. To legally install a 50A circuit in my existing panel would cost many thousands of dollars and negotiating access to multiple units as the meters are at the end of a string of townhouses and I'm in the middle. IOW, it's not practical. There just isn't enough spare power in the panel to support that large of a load.

I do not think that I'm alone in this. I could have paid cash for my X5, as I have for the past four vehicles, but at the 0.9% interest rate, it was more prudent to just finance it as it's easier to earn more than that to offset the cost.

The way I look at it, BMW isn't forcing you to buy the vehicle...you choose to buy it as presented. If you want it, buy it...if you don't, don't. Nobody is twisting your arm. It would be nice if they gave them away, but that's not going to happen, either...they're in the business of making money.

[deano17]

Originally Posted by TurtleBoy

I'm not following the argument as to nickel and diming the 50e buyers. BMW is giving them more than what they did with the 45e buyers aren't they? I thought they only gave them a 120v cord and if owners wanted to charge at 240v they bought they own Level 2 charger. For the 50e they provide a charger that can be used for 120v but if the owners wanted to 240v, they have an option of buying the adapter or buying a level 2 charger. Am I misunderstanding the situation?

I see your perspective but let’s not forget that was no small price increase from 45e to 50e. It’s not a huge deal to me and I don’t want to sound like I’m whining. Like I said, I get one with the i4 anyway…I just think it’s cheap. My Personal opinion. No one needs to agree with me. Lol.

[Paul100]

Originally Posted by jad03060

The way I look at it, BMW isn't forcing you to buy the vehicle...you choose to buy it as presented. If you want it, buy it...if you don't, don't. Nobody is twisting your arm. It would be nice if they gave them away, but that's not going to happen, either...they're in the business of making money.

The way it was presented to me is that it says on my order sheet that a code 4T3 Flexible Fast Charger was included as STD. My understanding at the time I ordered the vehicle was that code 4T3, which is the same code used on the iX, and I believe the i4, was a Flexible fast charger with both the 110 and the 240 volt plug adapters include. I spent 3300 dollars to have a sub panel installed and a 240 volt 50 amp circuit installed to be able to charge the 50e at a level 2 rate, and was under the impression that I wouldn't have to spend another 150 dollars for what should be a 20 dollar adapter that should have been included with the code 4T3 flexible fast charger listed on my paper work. But with that said, I understand that all companies are in it to make as much money as possible, what I would have liked is, if BMW only wants to provide one adapter with the 50e, at least give me the choice of which one I want.

[jad03060]

BMW did give you the choice...the 240vac adapter is an option, readily available.

I can sympathize with your point. My 45e was not my first plug-in device, so I already had a level 2 box installed since 2014...making the price higher to buy a second one is also one reason why it wouldn't be a good thing for me.

[deano17]

Originally Posted by Paul100

The way it was presented to me is that it says on my order sheet that a code 4T3 Flexible Fast Charger was included as STD. My understanding at the time I ordered the vehicle was that code 4T3, which is the same code used on the iX, and I believe the i4, was a Flexible fast charger with both the 110 and the 240 volt plug adapters include. I spent 3300 dollars to have a sub panel installed and a 240 volt 50 amp circuit installed to be able to charge the 50e at a level 2 rate, and was under the impression that I wouldn't have to spend another 150 dollars for what should be a 20 dollar adapter that should have been included with the code 4T3 flexible fast charger listed on my paper work. But with that said, I understand that all companies are in it to make as much money as possible, what I would have liked is, if BMW only wants to provide one adapter with the 50e, at least give me the choice of which one I want.

That’s exactly what I thought. In fact, I looked at that 4T3 code on the X5 and compared it to the code on my i4 order. They are the same, as you stated. I asked my dealer and he said they were the same. There wasn’t any option listed on the configurator to add the adapter. Otherwise, it would have been crystal clear.

[deano17]

Originally Posted by jad03060

BMW did give you the choice...the 240vac adapter is an option, readily available.

I can sympathize with your point. My 45e was not my first plug-in device, so I already had a level 2 box installed since 2014...making the price higher to buy a second one is also one reason why it wouldn't be a good thing for me.

There was no option in the configurator to add the adapter when I ordered my car and there isn’t today. That’s actually the perfect solution because then you’d know for sure it wasn’t included.

[jad03060]

When I said option...I meant as an accessory, like the rack for the roof, or the BMW valve stem cover, or the rotating center hub so they're always upright...

As an option listed on the configurator when buying the vehicle, yes, that would be useful and help clarify what's included.

[Paul100]

Originally Posted by deano17

There was no option in the configurator to add the adapter when I ordered my car and there isn’t today. That’s actually the perfect solution because then you’d know for sure it wasn’t included.

If they aren't going to give you both then I wish it was like the red or blue caliper option. You pick 240 plug adapter or 110 plug adapter to be included with the charger.

[X5Pye]

Originally Posted by TurtleBoy

I'm not following the argument as to nickel and diming the 50e buyers. BMW is giving them more than what they did with the 45e buyers aren't they? I thought they only gave them a 120v cord and if owners wanted to charge at 240v they bought they own Level 2 charger. For the 50e they provide a charger that can be used for 120v but if the owners wanted to 240v, they have an option of buying the adapter or buying a level 2 charger. Am I misunderstanding the situation?

Do you know which 240 volt plug BMW are selling the level 2 adapter for the Flexible Fast Charger? I can't find anything on what socket I need to provide in my garage. NEMA 14-50, 6-50? I dunno. I am also trying to figure out if I can get 240 volts to my second home parking stall that currently has a NEMA 5-15 I am hoping to convert it to a NEMA 6-16 which is 240 15 amp service, but I don't know how to safely plug in the BMW Flexible Fast Charger and not overload that circuit.

[nZtiZia]

Originally Posted by X5Pye

Do you know which 240 volt plug BMW are selling the level 2 adapter for the Flexible Fast Charger? I can't find anything on what socket I need to provide in my garage. NEMA 14-50, 6-50? I dunno. I am also trying to figure out if I can get 240 volts to my second home parking stall that currently has a NEMA 5-15 I am hoping to convert it to a NEMA 6-16 which is 240 15 amp service, but I don't know how to safely plug in the BMW Flexible Fast Charger and not overload that circuit.

I’ve seen 6-20, 6-50, and 14-50 adapters for the flexible fast charger listed on BMW’s site. feel free to post a photo of the socket in your garage, and we can guide you which one to purchase. Is that outlet connected to a 240V circuit?

as for the one in your second home which is 15A, the fastest you’ll be able to charge is 12A (80% rule).

[jad03060]

The international manual for the flexible fast charger 2.0 shows over a dozen different 'mains' cables to hook it up to various power sources. The US website is decidedly deficient in showing the US options. The US user's manual, which I've not found (yet) may show the various options, but the US website does show a 16A, level 2 cord designed to plug into a NEMA 6-20 receptacle. https://www.shopbmwusa.com/product/1...E-FAST-CHARGER It says it's not compatible with the 50e, but that is probably not true...it should work, but just not provide the maximum rate the 50e can accept. There are probably more choices out there, but their website updating and probably supply is not keeping up. If you have a 20A circuit, it might offer you an easier choice. Then again, for the price of the adapter, for not much more, you can buy a whole new device to do what you may want.

FWIW, the configurator says the flexible fast charger is included and it is. It does not say it includes the 240vac adapter.

[walketed]

Originally Posted by nZtiZia

I’ve seen 6-20, 6-50, and 14-50 adapters for the flexible fast charger listed on BMW’s site. feel free to post a photo of the socket in your garage, and we can guide you which one to purchase. Is that outlet connected to a 240V circuit?

as for the one in your second home which is 15A, the fastest you’ll be able to charge is 12A (80% rule).

So, I took delivery today and the SA told me that the car comes with the 240V adapter. He is wrong, it doesn't. It comes with the 110/120 regular adapter.

I tried fitting the one we talked about here BMW #61905A13A61 and it doesn't fit. Also the dealer has no clue what I'm talking about!

Anybody knows what's the right part to convert the flexible fast charger to 240V (Nema 14-50)?

[eelnoraa]

Originally Posted by walketed

So, I took delivery today and the SA told me that the car comes with the 240V adapter. He is wrong, it doesn't. It comes with the 110/120 regular adapter.

I tried fitting the one we talked about here BMW #61905A13A61 and it doesn't fit. Also the dealer has no clue what I'm talking about!

Anybody knows what's the right part to convert the flexible fast charger to 240V (Nema 14-50)?

Can you post a picture of the EVSE you have? Especially show the label in the back?

[kapsjt]

Originally Posted by walketed

So, I took delivery today and the SA told me that the car comes with the 240V adapter. He is wrong, it doesn't. It comes with the 110/120 regular adapter.

I tried fitting the one we talked about here BMW #61905A13A61 and it doesn't fit. Also the dealer has no clue what I'm talking about!

Anybody knows what's the right part to convert the flexible fast charger to 240V (Nema 14-50)?

I was just about to order BMW #61905A13A61 so thank you for sharing this. Yes, if anyone can please post a link to the correct US 240V NEMA 14-50 adaptor that would be appreciated. Thank you!

[nZtiZia]

Originally Posted by walketed

So, I took delivery today and the SA told me that the car comes with the 240V adapter. He is wrong, it doesn't. It comes with the 110/120 regular adapter.

I tried fitting the one we talked about here BMW #61905A13A61 and it doesn't fit. Also the dealer has no clue what I'm talking about!

Anybody knows what's the right part to convert the flexible fast charger to 240V (Nema 14-50)?

post a photo of the adapter you received and include any labels that show the part number. that part number you provided indicates it’s the 14-50 adapter for the flexible fast charger

[walketed]

Originally Posted by nZtiZia

post a photo of the adapter you received and include any labels that show the part number. that part number you provided indicates it’s the 14-50 adapter for the flexible fast charger

This is the charger. The adapter 61905A13A61 has the same female plug as the one that comes with the charger, but it doesn't go in.

[jad03060]

Could it just be really stiff? Compare the pins of the new cord to see if there are corresponding sockets on the other side.

How about pictures of the 120 cord, the 240 cord, and the EVSE's mating plug. Lighting may be tricky, as it's black, so to get a good picture might be tough.

[walketed]

Originally Posted by jad03060

Could it just be really stiff? Compare the pins of the new cord to see if there are corresponding sockets on the other side.

How about pictures of the 120 cord, the 240 cord, and the EVSE's mating plug. Lighting may be tricky, as it's black, so to get a good picture might be tough.

Update: I just spent several hours to find out and it looks like the adapter only works with the flexible fast charger 1.0, ours is the 2.0. There are no adapters for this charger. So frustrating!! I called, the dealer, parts department, Genius hotline, Ix hotline (for BMW electric), another dealer, and as you can imagine... no one knows anything.

So they told me to buy a Turbo Cord adapter, which is the same price as a wall charger. So at this point I think I'm going to buy a chargepoint or something similar.

[nZtiZia]

Originally Posted by walketed

Update: I just spent several hours to find out and it looks like the adapter only works with the flexible fast charger 1.0, ours is the 2.0. There are no adapters for this charger. So frustrating!! I called, the dealer, parts department, Genius hotline, Ix hotline (for BMW electric), another dealer, and as you can imagine... no one knows anything.

So they told me to buy a Turbo Cord adapter, which is the same price as a wall charger. So at this point I think I'm going to buy a chargepoint or something similar.

WTH?! that is unacceptable!

[walketed]

Originally Posted by nZtiZia

WTH?! that is unacceptable!

I agree! now what? class action lawsuit?

[nZtiZia]

Originally Posted by walketed

I agree! now what? class action lawsuit?

first, they underreported actual usable capacity in U.S. models. now, owners are under the impression they can use the included flexible fast charger to charge at level 2 with a separately purchased adapter, but that adapter only works on an older version of said charger. they failed meeting expectations in two areas off the bat. you definitely need to be refunded the cost of that adapter or provided the v1.0 charger at no cost.

if they had been transparent about needing to buy a separate EVSE to charge at level 2 as was the case with the 45e, there wouldn’t be such frustration and annoyance.