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Everyone else is adapting and there are tons of people already road tripping their teslas and other EV's that are available now. You wanna know the crazy part of our discussion? It doesn't side with you. I keep parroting that. We're moving close and closer and technology is getting better and better so time isn't on your side. You're judging results of what you know of in the past and today. If an iphone 30 comes out TODAY, apple is already making their iphone 31 tomorrow. Innovation comes at a price. It means you're never up to date with technology. You can only dwell on the past. My story hasn't changed since 2 months since i started to kill all of your guys arguments. I don't do it in a way as if i have anything against any of you. We're having a discussion. But you're fighting an uphill battle that will inevitably result in a defeat. This is happening. You can nitpick the flaws now. But as i said time is on EV's side and not on your side. This will get better and everyone WILL ADAPT TO THIS. Have fun bro.
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They don't work for a lot of us. Some have mentioned why.
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We only started to have this discussion since when? Last fall?
Read all the articles about car makers, "dropping x model for 2024", or "last year for the V12". "Next year marks last year for pure ice, hybrid next gen with EV following". etc. You guys keep insisting that i am saying tomorrow you look outside and see nothing but EV. I guess i can only assume you're doing this to help bring insight to your argument. I'll shine some light. It's not happening tomorrow. The ban is so called 2035. Some car makers predict even 2030. All of our favorite brands, unattainable or not (meaning exotic cars) are going EV. There's no more hellcats. It's DURACELLCAT's now. MB going hybrid with their C63. GM went hybrid with their ERAY. There are baby steps into the full transition. You'll see the "gigantic swing" by 2030. By their 2035 deadline, all we can do is accept that it actually happened. I am not sure why this is so hard to understand for most.
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You either believe the majority of people who study climate change or a majority of the people who deny it. It's trying to do something for our future generations before its too late, which some believe it already is.... Don't worry they aren't going to take your ICE on Jan 1, 2035...you just probably won't be able to order a new one. People acting like this is some sort of tyranny and making it about politics is completely hyperbolic and just plain sensationalism. Hopefully we are flying around in personal drones by 2035 anyways |
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The funnier part is when people say it's not politics yet the entire post is filled with politics. Are people ready for this? Yes and no. People who have EV's are ready. People who don't either aren't ready, OR DON'T WANT TO BE READY. It's always whining like bitches like oh no EV's have no soul, i can't hear anything, i wanna modify my ICE car so i can beat a model 3 performance and all that nonsense. When 2030 comes, they're going to shit their pants and be like holy shit it's really happening. 2035 they're crying because it already happened. People with their awesome EV's are summoning their car from their friends house with their phone so their awesome EV can come pick them up, all by itself. Can't wait for this!
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That's ^ an actual hyperbolic statement, vs just questioning the necessity of mandates, which is not a statement, nor hyperbolic. Calling that questioning "they call it some sort of tyranny" is an example of actual hyperbole. |
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Using this definition : pol·i·tics the activities associated with the governance of a country or other area, especially the debate or conflict among individuals or parties having or hoping to achieve power It would be literally impossible to discuss government mandates without the discussion being political, regardless of what side you are on. Forced transition to EV's is literally a political issue. If it weren't forced (government mandated), I could see your point. Free markets aren't politics. Is the weather political too? Should it be? |
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You guys are probably 100% right about everything you're saying. And i went on the record and said that before in one of these EV threads (you can go search). So if these threads are about politics, then there's that. But if you guys are suggesting that this won't happen, or all of a sudden "the government" will change their mind and say forget EV's, we made a mistake, we're reinventing ICE and we're sticking with it, then i hate to say it, but you're going to be really sad pretty soon. Everyday there's a new article i read about anything EV related getting better. And ICE of what we know is slowly but surely, disappearing. Sad reality for most. But hey i accept it so i can't wait for this!
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There is a lot of recent news on that concept : The V8 engine has a future at General Motors. The automaker is investing $854 million to prepare several factories to build the sixth generation of the venerable small block V8. In addition, the company is spending $64 million for castings and components to support future EVs. https://www.motor1.com/news/632407/g...ev-components/ GM is spending 13:1 - ICE:EV drivetrains right now. EV exclusivity will happen, but when? Quote:
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13 years ago : Obama Administration Finalizes Historic 54.5 MPG Fuel Efficiency Standards WASHINGTON, DC – The Obama Administration today finalized groundbreaking standards that will increase fuel economy to the equivalent of 54.5 mpg for cars and light-duty trucks by Model Year 2025.[/I] https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov...iency-standard 3 years ago: The new rule cuts the year-over-year improvements expected from the auto industry, slashing standards that require automakers to produce fleets that average nearly 55 mpg by 2025. Instead, the Trump rule would bring that number down to about 40 mpg by 2026, bringing mileage below what automakers have said is possible for them to achieve. https://thehill.com/policy/energy-en...ncy-standards/ Last year: April 1, 2022 | Washington, DC The U.S. Department of Transportation’s National Highway Traffic Safety Administration today announced new, landmark fuel economy standards which follow President Biden’s executive order to drive American leadership forward on clean cars. The new standards will make vehicle miles per gallon more efficient, save consumers money at the pump, and reduce transportation emissions. The new Corporate Average Fuel Economy standards require an industry-wide fleet average of approximately 49 mpg for passenger cars and light trucks in model year 2026 https://www.nhtsa.gov/press-releases...%20year%202021. Well what do you know, it seems the rules do change based on who is in charge. Who knew ? ... Last edited by chad86tsi; 01-22-2023 at 06:29 PM.. |
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I'll stick this here rather than start another EV thread. I'm a big fan of RAM trucks, we currently have a 2020 RAM 1500 ecoDiesel Laramie. I was initially interested in the F150 Lightning but the range gets destroyed with any kind of towing, load or cold and I fear the same will be true for the RAM, but here's a link to a Car & Driver article on the RAM.
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Fact is it's coming and there is NOTHING ANYONE CAN DO ABOUT IT. So i guess this has become a "let's bitch about what we can't control" thread.
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I wonder how they will dance around this when 2035 comes an no good options exist for work trucks, large passenger haulers (vans), and large SUV's. GM tried to solve this with a 3000# battery in the Hummer EV, providing an un-loaded range less than a Tesla model 3 LR. The Tesla Semi battery is estimated to weigh 10,000 pounds and is struggling to meet rated range now that a few have been released (shock). |
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