[bmwauug]

Anyone gonna swap grills ? Or tails ?

[rccarps2]

Originally Posted by B1M3

A laser headlight can produce light up to 1,000 times stronger than the light produced by LED technology, while only using 2/3 of its power. This is why laser headlights can light up a distance twice as long as the one LED headlights can light up.

Paying the same price for downgraded optics, No thanks.

So you copied word for word the first google search result on laser vs led headlight.

Who cares "1000 time stronger". It's all about lumen output, which is regulated by the DOT. LED and lasers are the same in the US.

I had the Laser lights on my last X5. They weren't any better than my current M5 and X7.

People get hung up on thinking they were better because they were part of a package and had limited availability.

Oh cool... I had a little blue piece of plastic in my headlights and a fancy yellow diamond laser sticker. The performance wasn't any better than the LEDs with them being detuned in the US.

Now outside the US.... that's a totally different story.

[PandaSPUR]

I think people also fail to realize only the high beams utilized laser.
I drive in/around the city 95% of the time, while the idea of laser headlights were cool to think about, losing them doesnt bother me.

[Tehnoid]

Originally Posted by rccarps2

So you copied word for word the first google search result on laser vs led headlight.

Who cares "1000 time stronger". It's all about lumen output, which is regulated by the DOT. LED and lasers are the same in the US.

I had the Laser lights on my last X5. They weren't any better than my current M5 and X7.

People get hung up on thinking they were better because they were part of a package and had limited availability.

Oh cool... I had a little blue piece of plastic in my headlights and a fancy yellow diamond laser sticker. The performance wasn't any better than the LEDs with them being detuned in the US.

Now outside the US.... that's a totally different story.

My wife looked at the G07 LCI coming from her X5M and said but it doesn't say BMW Laser on the side, is this worse? I just said, nope it's the same. But yours has lasers, it must be worse.

After driving 1000 miles she's decided that her current LED's are better than the unlocked G05. I did unlock the G07 for anti-dazzle through the backdoor programming and then applying the update. I really notice no difference between the lasers and LED's, as there really shouldn't be.

Color accuracy should remain better on the lasers.

[bobbis1]

Originally Posted by Brendan///M

Isn’t the location gathering all done by the iPhone? My understanding is the phone is doing its own navigation just as it would be if you were sitting in someone else’s car holding it in your hand, or walking, and when CarPlay is active it is streaming that data over WiFi direct, just with a different UI that is more optimized for the car. I am probably missing something. Hopefully they fix whatever the problem is at some point, now that they are doing OTA software updates.

No since the original carplay spec iOS has the ability to pull location from the car- this is valuable for navigation bc “dead reckoning” using compass inputs and wheel speed sensors to augment gps is how most car gps’s work accurately rather than just directly reading gps data. It seems in idrive8 there are material issues with this though they should be just in software bmw has not fixed them…

[Tejas1836]

Originally Posted by tehyox

I think you're reading the marketing materials from when they were released, not now.

Barges and ships have even switched to LED's because of their capacity. LED capacity was restricted by the heat that was produced but by the die shrinks as time have passed the capacity has grown at an exponential rate, while thermals have not budged and in many cases decreased.

Biggest advantage of lasers at this juncture is color reproduction accuracy as compared to led, not raw lumen capacity.

The key metric is lumens per target area per watt of power consumption in comparing LEDs to laser directional lighting.
Laser diode illumination excels compared to LEDs past 5 meters.

[gan23]

Five-link axle in lightweight steel, adaptive M suspension, optional:
air suspension with automatic self-leveling

Is this a typo in the specs? I don’t see any air suspension mentioned elsewhere.

[Tehnoid]

Originally Posted by Tejas1836

The key metric is lumens per target area per watt of power consumption in comparing LEDs to laser directional lighting.
Laser diode illumination excels compared to LEDs past 5 meters.

The laser headlights aren’t projection though, they’re subject to the reflector housing.

I’m also going to go out on a limb and say if there was an advantage at this juncture, the two automakers that spent considerable resources investing in the tech (bmw and vag) would continue to be using it, as well as the maritime industry which unlike autos isn’t subject to lumen restrictions. Given they’ve all switched to LEDs I think we’re beating a dead horse here.

Remember even from the promotional videos, the main advantage was the lasers were going to allow more compact and creative headlight design, given what we’ve seen on so many different cars lately I don’t think engineers are all that limited.

Where laser light sources will continue to be used is in theater, where color production is paramount as compared to led which still struggles somewhat with color fidelity. Interestingly even in that usage, the led produces higher lumen output per area and lower thermal requirements, but at the expense of color accuracy.

[Nick Daffern]

It's probably just me but I haven't been all that impressed with the laser lights on my 2022 X5MC.

Maybe they've been throttled down by some sort of DOT regulation...

[Jason]

Live walkaround video:

[Ibiza]

Originally Posted by Jeff J

And if Tanzanite is dead, I'll be mourning that too. A really good blue if you don't want something quite as bold as Marina Bay.

Can always order TBII via Individual program.

Amen to the return of the 818M rims!

I prefer Marina Bay Blue for the X5M, will mostly stay with color for my LCI build, was hoping for Java Green to be a P1 color instead IOMG.

[PandaSPUR]

Originally Posted by Ibiza

Can always order TBII via Individual program.

Amen to the return of the 818M rims!

I prefer Marina Bay Blue for the X5M, will mostly stay with color for my LCI build, was hoping for Java Green to be a P1 color instead IOMG.

I was hoping for TBII without paying the extra $3k and waiting an extra month or whatever.

If I go with the individual program, I might actually go for something like midnight sapphire. That paint seems to be more of a true dark blue, whereas TBII looks like it has a hint of purple.

[Tehnoid]

Originally Posted by Nick Daffern

It's probably just me but I haven't been all that impressed with the laser lights on my 2022 X5MC.

Maybe they've been throttled down by some sort of DOT regulation...

That was pretty much consensus, I had one of the original 2019 G05 X5's and everyone on this board was basically like, are these things on? I think there's a lot of thoughts they were nerfed in the US but there's some videos from Europe where they do exactly the same. The part number at least at the time was the same to order the headlight, including housing and if there was a massive programming difference it could be opened through VLC.

Again, I'll take the anecdotal path, if there was a significant improvement, BMW and VAG, who spent massive amounts of money on the technology would still be using it. It's no longer supply chain limited as well.

[Jmatfe4]

Big miss on the displays. Almost looks like two tablets side by side.

[PandaSPUR]

Now I'm just eagerly waiting for the pricing guide.

Already texted my dealer yesterday, he's gonna send it to me as soon as he has it.

[scotchy]

Quote: "The electric motor, complete with power electronics, is integrated into the compact housing of the 8-speed M Steptronic transmission and delivers an additional up to 12 hp of output and 147 lb-ft of torque"

I'm assuming these numbers are included in the HP and Torque rating for the vehicle? If so, while I know BMW often understates actual power, how does this work that it (and the M50i vs M60i) have the exact same or almost identical numbers for the pre-lci?
Wouldn't the motor/turbos have to be creating considerably less torque than previously for the numbers to be staying relatively the same? What am I missing?

[PandaSPUR]

Originally Posted by scotchy

Quote: "The electric motor, complete with power electronics, is integrated into the compact housing of the 8-speed M Steptronic transmission and delivers an additional up to 12 hp of output and 147 lb-ft of torque"

I'm assuming these numbers are included in the HP and Torque rating for the vehicle? If so, while I know BMW often understates actual power, how does this work that it (and the M50i vs M60i) have the exact same or almost identical numbers for the pre-lci?
Wouldn't the motor/turbos have to be creating considerably less torque than previously for the numbers to be staying relatively the same? What am I missing?

Seems to be a design choice by the engineers. It is a brand new engine after all.

If the specs really are inclusive of the 48V motor, then I'm gonna guess the 147lb-ft of extra torque only kicks during low RPMs and then the ICE takes over completely once the turbos are at full boost.

Benefit of this would be improving the lower end of the torque curve (more immediate felt acceleration) while keeping the same top end and prolonging the life of the 48V system.

Just my guesses though. I have zero actual sources to back this up.

[Tehnoid]

Originally Posted by PandaSPUR

Seems to be a design choice by the engineers. It is a brand new engine after all.

If the specs really are inclusive of the 48V motor, then I'm gonna guess the 147lb-ft of extra torque only kicks during low RPMs and then the ICE takes over completely once the turbos are at full boost.

Benefit of this would be improving the lower end of the torque curve (more immediate felt acceleration) while keeping the same top end and prolonging the life of the 48V system.

Just my guesses though. I have zero actual sources to back this up.

This is essentially what all the reviews of the G07 LCI have said. Why you pick up a couple of tenths to 60 in the new model compared to the last.

[Jeff J]

Originally Posted by scotchy

I'm assuming these numbers are included in the HP and Torque rating for the vehicle? If so, while I know BMW often understates actual power, how does this work that it (and the M50i vs M60i) have the exact same or almost identical numbers for the pre-lci?
Wouldn't the motor/turbos have to be creating considerably less torque than previously for the numbers to be staying relatively the same? What am I missing?

The intent is the electric motor fills the bottom end of the rpm range where the ICE engine doesn't make full torque. The peak torque number doesn't change because the electric is offline once any significant rpm is built on the gas mill (to yield a mere 12 hp, 147 ft-lb has to happen at just 430rpm, if it's measured at the engine crank, which it may not be with the motor attached to the tranny). So it's ICE+147 ft-lb, but only in ranges where the ICE makes less than 553-147=406ft lb.

Of course, with the rampant BMW under-rating, those specific numbers are likely wildly wrong, but the general concept should be right. Adding the electric gives a torque boost/fill right off idle and makes the auto start/stop much smoother since the electric can get the car rolling. In performance driving the electric likely does next to nothing, though.

[PandaSPUR]

Looks like the Canada pricing guide is out:

[scotchy]

Originally Posted by tehyox

This is essentially what all the reviews of the G07 LCI have said. Why you pick up a couple of tenths to 60 in the new model compared to the last.

Yeah just looking at this now, seeing improvements of about .3 seconds on both the 0-60 and quarter mile for the X7 M60i vs M50i. Will be interesting to see how the X5/6M and M60i go.

[bmwauug]

What about the Alpina X7s - stating 3.9 0-60 with 630 HP

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a4...a-xb7-details/