[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by 3798j

No because my statement wasn't a literal statement of origin. It was figuratively saying I'm aware of your underlying perspective that shaped your viewpoint...the perspective about "it's just a matter of time" (the McLarens taking each other out). By voicing that opinion in your post...I know where you're coming from. In my view, not a pretty place.

If you support McLaren that much you can show your team kit.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

If you support McLaren that much you can show your team kit.

And his place where he is coming from too (!)

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

And his place where he is coming from too (!)

Something out of nothing for sure.

[3798j]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

If you support McLaren that much you can show your team kit.

My "kit" was my preseason wager on McLaren to win the WCC...at +$250, I've got a nice "payday" coming up shortly.
As for following Team McLaren...I was at the '66 USGP watching Bruce McLaren in his McLaren 2B (powered by the Ford Indy V8 destroked to 3.0l) coming in 5th (scoring 2 points).

[Rono63]

Originally Posted by 3798j

My "kit" was my preseason wager on McLaren to win the WCC...at +$250, I've got a nice "payday" coming up shortly.
As for following Team McLaren...I was at the '66 USGP watching Bruce McLaren in his McLaren 2B (powered by the Ford Indy V8 destroked to 3.0l) coming in 5th (scoring 2 points).

They are butt hurt over Super Max being down 94 points and has no hope of winning the WDC.

Good wager on the WCC.

[Killed by Death]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Congrats my friend (!) Enjoy in good health

Thanks Bro, enjoying it with Merica’s version of a Belgian brew

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

Thanks Bro, enjoying it with Merica’s version of a Belgian brew

Cheers my friend

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by Rono63

They are butt hurt over Super Max being down 94 points and has no hope of winning the WDC.

Good wager on the WCC.

We are not butt hurt . May the best driver win the 2025 WDC.

And who is actually the best F1 driver ?

[Killed by Death]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

And who is actually the best driver ?

KBD of course

[Rono63]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

We are not butt hurt . May the best driver win the 2025 WDC.

And who is actually the best F1 driver ?

Your opinion of best driver is 94 points down and won’t win.

[HeelToeShift]

Originally Posted by Rono63

Your opinion of best driver is 94 points down and won’t win.

If Max were driving the Mclaren and Oscar the RB, Oscar would be extremely lucky if he were 10th or 11th in the WDC and would probably be 250-300 points off Max - that is the difference between a guy who is good when the car is dominant (Pia) and a guy who can not only outdrive a car but many in the field who also have faster cars including the dominant Mclaren cars at times (Max). When Mclaren's car was about as good as Max's is now, both Nor and Pia were having trouble getting out of the bottom 5 and were fighting with Sargent for 15th place LOL.
Beyond that, it's the most limp WDC in years. Certainly much easier to win in 2025 (esp since no one is developing) than it has been since 2020 (which was also a joke of a WDC). So the amount of weight on this one is bottom of the barrel.
When Oscar wins 4 in a row or proves he can win in anything but top of the top tier car as was the case in in F2 and F3 (which even Lance Stroll accomplished) then we can talk.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by dfox

I think McLaren just got the setup wrong, but think they'll correct for Baku. Max did win here once, but the slow sharp corners aren't usually his strongpoint. Checo beat him twice here in the "same" car.

I sorta think this is Piastri's race to lose.

But you do remember why Perez won the 2021 Azerbaijan race, no ?

04:34: here.

00:40: "Now spare a thought for Max Verstappen who hasn't put a foot wrong today during this race": here.

DNF is DNF. Racing can be brutal, it is what it is.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

3798j

You should see it as Senna has said and he was 100% right . May he RIP ..

There's a back story to Senna's notorious "going for a gap" quote.

Watch both videos referenced below for context - it sheds a different, more gloomy, light. Worth to know.

See here:

Originally Posted by Artemis

Nov 1990: Senna denied to Sir Jackie Stewart that he had intentionally crashed into Prost during the Suzuka 1990 race. He had gone for a gap left by Prost. Senna told Stewart after wrapping up the interview that he would never talk to him again.

1992/1993: Senna called Stewart to admit/confess that he had crashed intentionally. Senna also befriended Prost, his longtime nemesis at the end of the season, got emotional during the last F1 race of Prost.

1994: Senna repeatedly called Prost to tell him how hard he missed him and how bored he was without racing him (Prost quit F1 at the end of 1993), confided his personal worries about F1 safety and told him many times how much he had respected him as a rival, more than any other driver he had ever competed with. Prost and Stewart were both pallbearers during Senna's funeral in Spring 1994.

If FISA/FIA would have known that piece of info about the Suzuka 1990 race, Senna would have been questioned by them and likely disqualified for the whole 1990 season, losing the 1990 world title to Prost (compare with Schumacher getting disqualified for the whole 1997 season after ramming into Villeneuve during the title-deciding Jerez/Spain race).

Denial (1990):

Admitted (according to Stewart):

"Jackie Stewart: Ayrton Senna said he’d never speak to me again after I accused him of crashing into Alain Prost to win the title"
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...ain-Prost.html
"A year had passed since our [Nov 1990] interview, and I was in Australia for the grand prix when Senna called me. He was a deeply religious man and he said: “Look. I am phoning to apologise because I do now admit that I did take Prost off the road intentionally and God won’t allow me to live this lie. I am going to announce it to the media tonight, but I want you to be the first to know”.
We had a really good conversation on the phone and then he asked if there was any chance I could go over to his hotel and talk about how we could go forward because he wanted to improve safety in Formula One - he knew I had more experience on that issue than anyone else in the sport - so, I did. I went over to his room, and we spent more than two hours together.
I was taken aback, but I thought, “Wow, this is great” because he has finally owned up. The fact that he wanted to admit it, and get it out of his system and then take on safety with a new vigour which he had not done before, was a very positive thing. We were on the phone almost every week, twice-a-week in fact, after that conversation in Adelaide until he died at the 1994 San Marino Grand Prix."

Villeneuve (WDC) versus Schumacher (DSQ) - 1997 Jerez incident: here.

[Rono63]

Originally Posted by HeelToeShift

If Max were driving the Mclaren and Oscar the RB, Oscar would be extremely lucky if he were 10th or 11th in the WDC and would probably be 250-300 points off Max - that is the difference between a guy who is good when the car is dominant (Pia) and a guy who can not only outdrive a car but many in the field who also have faster cars including the dominant Mclaren cars at times (Max). When Mclaren's car was about as good as Max's is now, both Nor and Pia were having trouble getting out of the bottom 5 and were fighting with Sargent for 15th place LOL.
Beyond that, it's the most limp WDC in years. Certainly much easier to win in 2025 (esp since no one is developing) than it has been since 2020 (which was also a joke of a WDC). So the amount of weight on this one is bottom of the barrel.
When Oscar wins 4 in a row or proves he can win in anything but top of the top tier car as was the case in in F2 and F3 (which even Lance Stroll accomplished) then we can talk.

Apparently he needs a good car too because he’s a distance third place in the WDC.

All you are saying is the car is more important than the driver so the Max Factor is good for third place in the WDC.

I am a McLaren fan so happy that they are going to win the WCC by a record margin and the WDC also.

[Killed by Death]

Originally Posted by Rono63

Apparently he needs a good car too because he’s a distance third place in the WDC.

All you are saying is the car is more important than the driver so the Max Factor is good for third place in the WDC.

I am a McLaren fan so happy that they are going to win the WCC by a record margin and the WDC also.

Everyone here knows I'm a Ferrari fan but Max is 3rd place and winning races in a slower car that no other driver can handle. Many here have suggested the Ferrari is a faster car and our drivers are VERY high quality. Both are better than PIA and Norris IMHO. I'm not a Max apologist but it is quite obvious he is the best driver on the grid. He lives and breaths racing. Max puts in the work and reaps the rewards. I admire that!!!

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

Everyone here knows I'm a Ferrari fan but Max is 3rd place and winning races in a slower car that no other driver can handle. Many here have suggested the Ferrari is a faster car and our drivers are VERY high quality. Both are better than PIA and Norris IMHO. I'm not a Max apologist but it is quite obvious he is the best driver on the grid. He lives and breaths racing. Max puts in the work and reaps the rewards. I admire that!!!

[Rono63]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

Everyone here knows I'm a Ferrari fan but Max is 3rd place and winning races in a slower car that no other driver can handle. Many here have suggested the Ferrari is a faster car and our drivers are VERY high quality. Both are better than PIA and Norris IMHO. I'm not a Max apologist but it is quite obvious he is the best driver on the grid. He lives and breaths racing. Max puts in the work and reaps the rewards. I admire that!!!

I am not disrespecting Max. I know he is the best driver currently in F1.

I don’t however like how all the Max fans on here continually disrespect McLaren and their drivers. Like many have said three years ago they were last on the grid and now they will win the WWC for the second consecutive year and also one of their drivers will win the WDC.

For years the Max fans on here talked about how all the Hamilton fans were butt hurt and making excuses for him. Now it seems it’s their turn to make excuses.

[HeelToeShift]

Originally Posted by Rono63

Apparently he needs a good car too because he’s a distance third place in the WDC.

All you are saying is the car is more important than the driver so the Max Factor is good for third place in the WDC.

I am a McLaren fan so happy that they are going to win the WCC by a record margin and the WDC also.

You definitely need a capable car to win. The Max factor is that fact that even with better and faster cars, Ferrari and MB are well behind Max. The fact that the Mclaren car is so good it masks the material weaknesses of its drivers whereas Max takes the weaknesses of a car and drives beyond them in a way no one else in F1 car, or remotely close. Again, Max won the WDC in 2024 handily despite having a car slower than both Mclarens for 80% of the season - just goes to show that if their car isnt dominant 95% of the time or more they simply arent good enough to win. Nor is an average driver in a dominant car and Pia is a slightly above average driver in a dominant car. Neither would crack the top 10 in Max's car whereas Max would slaughter everyone in the Mclaren - likely with 12-14 wins at this point of the season in that car, neither Mclaren driver is even close to or capable of.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by Rono63

I am not disrespecting Max. I know he is the best driver currently in F1.

I don’t however like how all the Max fans on here continually disrespect McLaren and their drivers. Like many have said three years ago they were last on the grid and now they will win the WWC for the second consecutive year and also one of their drivers will win the WDC.

For years the Max fans on here talked about how all the Hamilton fans were butt hurt and making excuses for him. Now it seems it’s their turn to make excuses.

Excuses ?

The 2025 F1 season is:

The best driver at the grid (MAX) vs The best car at the grid (McLaren MCL39)

MAX already lost the 2025 WDC by the McLaren genius (ex-Red Bull) Rob Marshall.
And that's no excuse . Just the 2025 F1 facts as they are ..

So, I already say it now : Congrats for the McLaren Team for winning the 2025 WCC and WDC (!)

[HeelToeShift]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Excuses ?

The 2025 F1 season is:

The best driver at the grid (MAX) vs The best car at the grid (McLaren MCL39)

MAX already lost the 2025 WDC by the McLaren genius (ex-Red Bull) Rob Marshall.
And that's no excuse . Just the 2025 F1 facts as they are ..

So, I already say it now : Congrats for the McLaren Team for winning the 2025 WCC and WDC (!)

No one is making excuses LMFAO. It's funny because Pia couldnt even win his 1st race on pure merit - he needed Nor who was running away from him to slow down to pull it off because he is absolutely terrible at making a set of tires last more than 5 laps. Luckily they don't need to do that now or average Nor would be eating him alive in the WDC. Pia is simply not that good.
Frankly, the fact that Nor and Pia arent more points ahead with Max having gotten that DNF due to Ant is really embarrassing for Mclaren who have a car that is easily the fastest in quali, race pace, and everything in between with no need to manage tires that last +10 to +15 in each stint.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by HeelToeShift

No one is making excuses LMFAO. It's funny because Pia couldnt even win his 1st race on pure merit - he needed Nor who was running away from him to slow down to pull it off because he is absolutely terrible at making a set of tires last more than 5 laps. Luckily they don't need to do that now or average Nor would be eating him alive in the WDC. Pia is simply not that good.
Frankly, the fact that Nor and Pia arent more points ahead with Max having gotten that DNF due to Ant is really embarrassing for Mclaren who have a car that is easily the fastest in quali, race pace, and everything in between with no need to manage tires that last +10 to +15 in each stint.

Of course. I couldn't agree more

[Rono63]

Originally Posted by HeelToeShift

No one is making excuses LMFAO. It's funny because Pia couldnt even win his 1st race on pure merit - he needed Nor who was running away from him to slow down to pull it off because he is absolutely terrible at making a set of tires last more than 5 laps. Luckily they don't need to do that now or average Nor would be eating him alive in the WDC. Pia is simply not that good.
Frankly, the fact that Nor and Pia arent more points ahead with Max having gotten that DNF due to Ant is really embarrassing for Mclaren who have a car that is easily the fastest in quali, race pace, and everything in between with no need to manage tires that last +10 to +15 in each stint.

Unlike Red Bull they are a team and work together. When is the last time the second RBR car had the same updates as Max, at least two years ago or never.

Only thing embarrassing is RBR being fourth in the WCC.