[dream54ing]

Originally Posted by nZtiZia

Discount will sell you any sized tires as long as they meet OEM specs, which include rolling circumference and load range/rating. my car came with 21" staggered, and i had no problems ordering a 20" square setup of tires/wheels from them. (i cancelled last minute due to change in wheel choice, though.) you aren't limited to 21" tires just because your car came with them (to a point). below are the various OEM tire sizes depending on wheel size, which Discount will sell to you long as your wheels fit inside them, and they have the proper load rating:

19" 265/50-19 (all 4 tires)

20" 275/45-20 (all 4 tires)

20" FRONT 275/45-20
20" REAR 305/40-20

21" FRONT 275/40-21
21" REAR 315/35-21

22" FRONT 275/35-22
22" REAR 315/30-22

u may run into issues going narrower/taller such as load rating or fender rubbing, or finding a merchant willing to sell you non-OEM-spec tires for your car. there is a guy here who is happily running taller tires for his staggered 21" setup: 275/45R21 FRONT and 315/40R21 REAR "without issues" according to him, though he did have issues with one merchant not willing to sell/mount those tires, so he kept shopping around until someone would.

i check 2 discount tires and they said the same thing. they cannot sell them, period .. costco is the same, if i brought in 20s wheels, they only can sell me winter tires. maybe here in Arizona runs stricter company policy. I'm going to call the dealership to make sure those tires dont void any warranties.

[nZtiZia]

which 20" wheels have u decided on? that could be the limiting factor for those tire dealers as well; something we can't account for unless we also know the specs of the wheels...

[dream54ing]

Originally Posted by nZtiZia

which 20" wheels have u decided on? that could be the limiting factor for those tire dealers as well; something we can't account for unless we also know the specs of the wheels...

he said it doesnt matter on the wheels since the wheels has the same specs as the oem 20s. Even if i brought in a set bmw 20s they cannot sell me the tires because of the sticker on the door panel.

[nZtiZia]

Are your experiences in-store? if not, have you tried online? interesting stance they're taking even with OEM 20". Sorry man. yeah, can try the dealership.

[bimmerwerks]

Originally Posted by dream54ing

he said it doesnt matter on the wheels since the wheels has the same specs as the oem 20s. Even if i brought in a set bmw 20s they cannot sell me the tires because of the sticker on the door panel.

Originally Posted by dream54ing

he said it doesnt matter on the wheels since the wheels has the same specs as the oem 20s. Even if i brought in a set bmw 20s they cannot sell me the tires because of the sticker on the door panel.

Ah tell them it was special ordered set and show I drive factory tire settings and show they allow them

[dream54ing]

Originally Posted by nZtiZia

Are your experiences in-store? if not, have you tried online? interesting stance they're taking even with OEM 20". Sorry man. yeah, can try the dealership.

yes, i was at the store... its because of the sticker on the door panel...
looks like my options are get it elsewhere like the dealership or just settle for the 265/50r20.

[dream54ing]

Originally Posted by bimmerwerks

Ah tell them it was special ordered set and show I drive factory tire settings and show they allow them

doesnt matter, doesnt change the sticker on the door panel... they simply cant do anything since its company policy, just like costco.

[dream54ing]

now searching for smaller shops that would sell me tires and wheels for a fair price since big box stores refuse to sell the oem size because my car was purchased with 21s.

[jad03060]

The label on the door panel should be available as a part...have you tried to just order one with the tire size you wanted? Shouldn't hurt to have two different labels there.

[gqgambler]

what about the dealer? Will they install the 20s in OEM size. it may cost you more but I wouldn't think they'd give you a hard time with the all-seasons. People of people downgrade from 21/22 inch rims to 20 for ride comfort.

or buy a used/take-off set with tires mounted:
https://g05.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1790497

[bimmerwerks]

Originally Posted by dream54ing

now searching for smaller shops that would sell me tires and wheels for a fair price since big box stores refuse to sell the oem size because my car was purchased with 21s.

Originally Posted by dream54ing

now searching for smaller shops that would sell me tires and wheels for a fair price since big box stores refuse to sell the oem size because my car was purchased with 21s.

Just order tires and wheels separately take it to dealer and ask them to install for the worst case.

[dream54ing]

Originally Posted by gqgambler

what about the dealer? Will they install the 20s in OEM size. it may cost you more but I wouldn't think they'd give you a hard time with the all-seasons. People of people downgrade from 21/22 inch rims to 20 for ride comfort.

or buy a used/take-off set with tires mounted:
https://g05.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1790497

yes, dealer would, but cost is about double for a winter/back up set of wheels is not worth.

the issue here is not being able to get 275/45r20. discount is only willing to sell 265/50r20 due to load requirement.

Alternately i can buy that set and install it myself. then they would sell me new tires, but then i'll end up with extra set of tires, tires that are not winter or all weather that i need.

[dream54ing]

Originally Posted by bimmerwerks

Just order tires and wheels separately take it to dealer and ask them to install for the worst case.

I was just thinking just to settle with the 265/50r20. probably the best option without issue if something happens to the wheels/tires down the road.
going to email my service manager to make sure that size wont cause any issue.

[dream54ing]

Originally Posted by jad03060

The label on the door panel should be available as a part...have you tried to just order one with the tire size you wanted? Shouldn't hurt to have two different labels there.

where would be order this. if not a hassle, i wouldnt mind going that route.

[bimmerwerks]

Originally Posted by dream54ing

where would be order this. if not a hassle, i wouldnt mind going that route.

Originally Posted by dream54ing

where would be order this. if not a hassle, i wouldnt mind going that route.

Problem is, I checked and it might be tied to the vin because same part number for other BMW as well...

[bimmerwerks]

Originally Posted by dream54ing

I was just thinking just to settle with the 265/50r20. probably the best option without issue if something happens to the wheels/tires down the road.
going to email my service manager to make sure that size wont cause any issue.

Originally Posted by dream54ing

where would be order this. if not a hassle, i wouldnt mind going that route.

Originally Posted by dream54ing

I was just thinking just to settle with the 265/50r20. probably the best option without issue if something happens to the wheels/tires down the road.
going to email my service manager to make sure that size wont cause any issue.

Huh????

275/45/20 has same weight rating as 265/50/20

It should be 111 XL, WV or Y is speed rating.

Show them this. It is directly from their website

If not seriously go through website. My local discount tire says there's no difference when ordering from the store or website.

And call regional office if they deny install if you buy it from online.

https://www.discounttire.com/custome...gional-offices

[dream54ing]

Originally Posted by bimmerwerks

Huh????

275/45/20 has same weight rating as 265/50/20

It should be 111 XL, WV or Y is speed rating.

Show them this. It is directly from their website

If not seriously go through website. My local discount tire says there's no difference when ordering from the store or website.

And call regional office if they deny install if you buy it from online.

https://www.discounttire.com/custome...gional-offices

not the same load index rating on their computer. thats the only reason they wont sell me the tires.
275/45/30 has a load index rating of 110Y and 265/50r20 is 111, which is the ratings i currently have on the vehicle.

i think youre not understanding, it doesnt matter what other oem size for the X5 are, but what matter is the setup i currently have on my car and sticker on the door panel, which is 21" staggered with the rear having 111Y load index rating. IF my original tires were the 20", there wont be an issue.

they will not install if i buy them online, because the first thing they check is the sticker on the door panel. its a liability issue for them.

[gqgambler]

Originally Posted by jad03060

The label on the door panel should be available as a part...have you tried to just order one with the tire size you wanted? Shouldn't hurt to have two different labels there.

No. Label is specific to VIN, so can't just order a generic one.

[dream54ing]

after doing more digging, I'm not the only one who run into this issue. Discount tire's load index policy has others people scratching their head as well. They simply dont want to be responsible if anything happens, a liability for them.

this is what i found..
"We do this because tires are pneumatic and load carrying capacity changes with pressure. Due to this, and also for handling purposes, vehicle manufacturers build in a margin of safety into the tires. To ensure our safety standards are on par, all the tires we sell for vehicles driven on the street must meet or exceed the requirements set by the vehicle manufacture."

In my case, they based it specifically on the what my vehicle has on and the sticker it came with, not a general manufacture spec for the X5. Stupid, yes, but cant fault them for protecting themselves from anyone who try to pull a quick one on them. they rather not have the sales to prevent any lawsuit.

[bimmerwerks]

Originally Posted by dream54ing

after doing more digging, I'm not the only one who run into this issue. Discount tire's load index policy has others people scratching their head as well. They simply dont want to be responsible if anything happens, a liability for them.

this is what i found..
"We do this because tires are pneumatic and load carrying capacity changes with pressure. Due to this, and also for handling purposes, vehicle manufacturers build in a margin of safety into the tires. To ensure our safety standards are on par, all the tires we sell for vehicles driven on the street must meet or exceed the requirements set by the vehicle manufacture."

In my case, they based it specifically on the what my vehicle has on and the sticker it came with, not a general manufacture spec for the X5. Stupid, yes, but cant fault them for protecting themselves from anyone who try to pull a quick one on them. they rather not have the sales to prevent any lawsuit.

Originally Posted by dream54ing

after doing more digging, I'm not the only one who run into this issue. Discount tire's load index policy has others people scratching their head as well. They simply dont want to be responsible if anything happens, a liability for them.

this is what i found..
"We do this because tires are pneumatic and load carrying capacity changes with pressure. Due to this, and also for handling purposes, vehicle manufacturers build in a margin of safety into the tires. To ensure our safety standards are on par, all the tires we sell for vehicles driven on the street must meet or exceed the requirements set by the vehicle manufacture."

In my case, they based it specifically on the what my vehicle has on and the sticker it came with, not a general manufacture spec for the X5. Stupid, yes, but cant fault them for protecting themselves from anyone who try to pull a quick one on them. they rather not have the sales to prevent any lawsuit.

Ok is there reason why you are sticking with discount tire? You know you can just buy tires from tire rack and install them from the list of recommended installer on their website......

[nZtiZia]

Originally Posted by dream54ing

the issue here is not being able to get 275/45r20. discount is only willing to sell 265/50r20 due to load requirement.

i'm telling ya' their rationale is BS. so they're willing to sell you non-OEM-spec 20" tires with 111 load rating versus OEM 20" tires with 110 load rating?!

110 means 2337 max pounds per tire
111 means 2403 max pounds per tire

did they even look at the Gross Axle Weight Rating (GAWR) sticker on the B pillar? (see below):

GAWR is the maximum allowable weight for an individual axle. my rear GAWR is 3968 pounds. my 275/45R20 run flat tires are rated 110, which means that the two tires that are on my rear axle can carry a maximum of 4674 pounds. their load capacity exceeds the rear GAWR by 706 pounds... more than capable. since they're being picky between axle loads, show them this.

you can even argue that 110 rating is more than capable for the car's gross weight. my GVWR is 6967 pounds. all four of my tires can carry a maximum of 9348 pounds. again, more than capable.

tires with 111 rating can only carry an additional 132 pounds per axle or 264 pounds for the whole vehicle compared to tires with 110 rating... not a significant increase at all! either tire exceeds the vehicle's load requirements.

Originally Posted by bimmerwerks

Ok is there reason why you are sticking with discount tire? You know you can just buy tires from tire rack and install them from the list of recommended installer on their website......

i had a great first experience with a their mobile tire installer, ASAP Tire!

[dream54ing]

Originally Posted by bimmerwerks

Ok is there reason why you are sticking with discount tire? You know you can just buy tires from tire rack and install them from the list of recommended installer on their website......

That's why on previous post that i'm searching for smaller shops. lol...
I was just responding to your comment. I honestly do appreciate your help.

as mentioned, my feasible options are
-get wheels and tires else where (went to a few and they want to charge me extra because i have an X5, plus limited tire and wheel selection)
-get wheels and settle for 265/50/20 tires at discount
-go to the dealership and let them rip a hole in my wallet
-get all weather/all season for my current 21s staggered

i do want to get wheels, tires and installation at the same place so if theres any issues, i dont get the run around. right now, getting the taller tires look like the option i'm leaning towards since i'm getting the wheel and tires i prefer. just need to wait for service manager to get back with warranty on that size tires