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      11-09-2018, 08:30 PM   #67
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If it looks, sounds, and handles anything like the X5 Le Mans V12 then I'd say bring it on!

Don't forget it was 6MT too

But of course, who the hell am I kidding.
BMW will never make something like this, and even this X5 LM V12 was stuck in prototype stage.
This was really just an excuse for me to post some BMW V12 content
This is a great example of what a racer can do with his own shop and parts lying around. Loved the Hans Stuck V12 X5 back in the day! Great post!
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This seriously might be diluting BMW M GmbH

My issue is that they are really making you pay to play. The ///M division's models used to be track ready weapons. Now you need to spend a ton of extra $$ otherwise the cars are a bit meh at their baseline.
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      11-09-2018, 08:43 PM   #70
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Jesus, could they slice the cheese any thinner? They have some Porsche product planners working there? Damn. m Sport, M Performance, Full M, M Comp, M CS and M CSL

WTF is the point?

Just need M sport, Full M, and CSL IMO.
That's not how they view it. Base is M, not M sport.

They're trying to widen the gap between the regular series and their M variants. That's why BMW always emphasizes the minimal similarities between the regular series and the M models. (E.g. only 20% shared parts)
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      11-09-2018, 08:53 PM   #72
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Can anyone tell me what the m-performance is? I asked the dealer and they couldn't tell me
M Performance models are sort of half-baked M cars, such as the M240i, M760i, X3 M40i, etc.
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Jeez, the morale of us 15'-16' M3 non comp owners is really taking a beating.

I have never had such a great experience being an early adapter.

We paid substantially less.
We have more aggressive mapping for low end torque.
Our cars weigh less.
Passive suspension was available and is (IMO) - perfect.
Allocations were easy to get, 4 year maintenance, Euro discount 7%
Very little visual difference on exterior.
Platform has been extremely reliable

We did OK......
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It seems like they are watering down the M brand by putting all sorts of variants out there. Eventually everything will be an M car and then M will mean average.
...perhaps you meant "M"ediocre...
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Jeez, the morale of us 15'-16' M3 non comp owners is really taking a beating.

I have never had such a great experience being an early adapter.

We paid substantially less.
We have more aggressive mapping for low end torque.
Our cars weigh less.
Passive suspension was available and is (IMO) - perfect.
Allocations were easy to get, 4 year maintenance, Euro discount 7%
Very little visual difference on exterior.
Platform has been extremely reliable

We did OK......
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I dunno gang. M cars used to be all about the track? What on an OG M6 is track-specific? (Okay engine thats it) How about the e30 brakes? Were those real special? The OG M5's 15" wheels? Suspension?

Modern day BMW's are amazing. Ok, Porsche is better, but you know what? Thats it. Go to any club event at your local track. Its not loaded with Ferrari/Lambo/Audi/etc. Its Porsche and BMW. M continues to rock. At the very worst, its an awesome platform to mod and make it "how they should have made it". Because we are all better engineers and drivers than those on BMW's payroll!
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      11-09-2018, 09:33 PM   #77
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More M models? Bring it on! In this day and age of impending electrification, we should embrace a brand trying to expand its performance lineup. Who else is doing this for us? Sure, they are gonna milk us but they always have, for decades. We all pay with our hearts, not our minds. And besides, all this is cheaper than an affair, if maybe not as fun. But lasts longer!
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      11-09-2018, 09:57 PM   #78
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      11-09-2018, 10:03 PM   #79
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It seems like they are watering down the M brand by putting all sorts of variants out there. Eventually everything will be an M car and then M will mean average.
is that what they say over at Porsche when there are 24 models of 911 and 21 versions of Panamera?

do you think Porsche is also " watered down" right now.. ?
Yes, Porsche is also watered down. Believe me, I know.

The T does not need to be a separate model. It's a base with a bunch of options. Likewise, the GTS is not different enough from the S. It's just a pen S with a bunch of standard options.

But many of the many variants have huge differences. There is RWD and AWD for almost every model except, oddly, the Targas. There are also three different body styles. Those are big differences. So many slices of cheese, but not all the same flavor.
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Lots of guys know me on here and how much I love M cars in general and M3s in particular.

But a recent visit to a bmw dealer revealed a price of 102k on an M3 CS. That's insane for a car based on what amounts to a 35k 320i.

An M3 makes sense at 70, maybe 80k. But once you get near 100...why not just get a car that doesn't need to make any compromises for lower level siblings?
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Can I save this slide and show it to the SA when they try and void my warranty for dark calipers or other signs of ‘track’ use? Ridiculous marketing that is at odds with BMW service policies.
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I thinking they're just trying to train people on the jargon. It doesn't mean they're going to offer them. I think the possibility of getting another m2 variant isn't set in stone yet. It'll probably depend on sales of the m2c.
Glimpse of the M2 Cadet Squadron Leader ?

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What annoys me is the fact that the best models are released at the very end of the product’s lifecycle. Just release all lines at the same time and refresh them mid-cycle, like every other manufacturer...

Please list all of these manufacturers that release all of their performance levels at once. Not GM, Ford, FCA, Lamborghini, McLaren, Ferrari, Mercedes, Lotus, Porsche, Audi, etc etc. I guess that leaves the Toyota Camry and perhaps a few Kia's that are released at all "performance" levels at once.

You ignore the fact that they have to develop a market for the car before they put in the R&D and marketing money into fine tuning the models for further niche'.

For those of you complaining about the new M tiers, I don't understand you. Fact is the CSL will be a track focused car, my guess is most of you don't understand what that means. First it is a niche model, second it won't be a great street car because the better a car it on track the worse it is on the road (rare exceptions like the McLaren 720s). My guess is less than 5% of M2 owners track their cars, this is a car for them. Those who need a daily driver have choices. Since when is the idea that car guys having more choices is a bad thing? I suspect some just like to complain. For me offer me as many versions as you want and I will choose the one that fits my needs best. Better that than having a one size fits all solution.
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Lots of guys know me on here and how much I love M cars in general and M3s in particular.

But a recent visit to a bmw dealer revealed a price of 102k on an M3 CS. That's insane for a car based on what amounts to a 35k 320i.

An M3 makes sense at 70, maybe 80k. But once you get near 100...why not just get a car that doesn't need to make any compromises for lower level siblings?

Simple solution, buy the one you like and fits your needs and budget. Why should everyone be forced to buy the same version? The CS is a niche model, I wouldn't buy one because of the very point you mention but I don't see how its a bad thing someone else can.
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Glimpse of the M2 Cadet Squadron Leader ?

Didn't bmw say they dropped the csl? Right before they announced that they'll be selling the performance parts separately?
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Jesus, could they slice the cheese any thinner? They have some Porsche product planners working there? Damn. m Sport, M Performance, Full M, M Comp, M CS and M CSL

WTF is the point?

Just need M sport, Full M, and CSL IMO.
A5 ... S5 ... RS5

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For those of you complaining about the new M tiers, I don't understand you. Fact is the CSL will be a track focused car, my guess is most of you don't understand what that means.
Complaining use to be..."why don't we get the limited models in the US?" Now that they are offered here, it is complaining that there are too many models.

E9x M3 had numerous variants, just not all offered in the US(Base, ZCP, CRT, GTS, Lime Rock, DTM Ed.)

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Jesus, could they slice the cheese any thinner? They have some Porsche product planners working there? Damn. m Sport, M Performance, Full M, M Comp, M CS and M CSL

WTF is the point?

Just need M sport, Full M, and CSL IMO.
A5 ... S5 ... RS5

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You need a total of 4 RS versions for it to be equivalent...
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