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The engine is not made in China. If you have done some research you would see that XC60s built in China are of better quality compared to the ones built in Sweden. At least what owners are saying in the forums. Have you driven a new Volvo with the supercharged/turbocharged 4 Cylinder yet? Feels quicker than my 2012 E70. The transmission on the X5 does feel a lot better though. The build quality in my 2018 XC90 is exceptional. The materials are on par compared to BMW. I had my XC90 for 7 months now and no rattles so far. My E90 had the center console rattle after a month along with a couple of other small rattles, E92 had the seatbelt butler rattle, E70 had the tailgate, 2nd row seat rattle and developed an annoying suspension knock after 2 years, which BMW could not fix. It eventually went away after I replaced the front brakes and performed the TSB. E92 came with misaligned hood. E70 came all 4 doors misaligned, 3rd brake light misaligned, and driver side mirror with a piece chipped off of the top left corner. XC90 has almost perfect fit and finish. Nothing misaligned. The BMW dealers were able to fix those quality issues, but it shouldn't arrive from the factory this way. Not sure how it missed QC. After the E70, I came to believe that it's the norm. Aside from the build quality issues, all 3 BMWs were very reliable. I loved all 3 of them. I would definitely get another BMW in the future. BMW just didn't have what fit my criteria when I got the XC90. I considered the Q7 and was very close to getting it but the 3rd row is useless. |
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Same with our Huawei Honor phones. Nothing comes close to the quality, service updates, and high tech of these phones. The voice quality alone is better than any land line. BUT, Volvo has engine problems. Maybe we should blame the Swede's engineers because apparently they are still involved. |
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I also was facing this decision. I ended up with a new x5.
My reasons: 1. The engine on the X5 is light years ahead of the Volvo. Such a better power plant. There is no comparison. 2. I saw dealers selling not just a few, but MANY cars that were repurchased by Volvo (I.e. lemons) and fixed then being sold at substantial discounts with lemons. This reinforced what I thought and what others are saying- the Volvo engine is too small in displacement to put out that power and has a supercharge and turbo. That's just a bad mix for reliability. The Volvo is a stunning car and the materials are very high quality inside. But the above 2 reasons and I stayed clear. Tariq |
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When I first started researching my next vehicle, Volvo was on my list and I mentioned it to a woman I worked with since her fiancé is the service manager for the local Volvo dealer. The next day she told me that he said I should stay away from them for a few years because of all of the reliability issues. He knew I made a cross country trip each year and said he would hate to see me stuck in the middle of nowhere with an engine that doesn't run. This was two years ago so it could be they have those problems taken care of and the reliability will start increasing.
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Our old E70 was a rattly, creaky disaster after a year. Both the X164 and X166 GL's were even worse at 1yr than the E70. My S5 has a meager 35k kms and rattles like a 1990 Ford F150 farm truck. All the above vehicles had numerous warranty issues with electronics and fit/finish right off the get go, and it was a bloody fight trying to get any cosmetic problems addressed at BMW, Merc, and Audi. The XC90 was a game changer for the mid size segment and we can all thank Volvo for forcing the Germans to up their interior standards on the G05, because Volvo simply blew every offering out of the water in 2016. The G05 is a very good SUV, but its also 3 years newer than the current gen XC90, so it SHOULD have an edge on it simply for that fact. I was in a buddy's 'new' 2018 GLE43 the other day and that is like a dinosaur compared to our G05's and the XC90, BUT as it should be - its 7yr old technology. Like I said in a previous post, I would have bought another XC90 other than the fact I get bored of looking at the same dashboard after 3 years, so I needed something at least as good, and the only contender out there was/is the G05. |
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01-09-2019, 06:10 AM | #30 | |
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It is a very comfortable drive and T8 has nice HP topping that of G05 until 45e hits market. I would definitely take the G05 given those two choices. |
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If you are contemplating to spend 87-90k definitely go for x5 m50.
523hp, limited slip. M sport suspension - all you need to know Volvo is not even in the same league. It is a drivers forum, - so recommendations are based on driving dynamics not phone connections. Volvo needs new engine, new transmission and new suspension to compete. The only competition to x5 is Cayenne. Bit to achieve x5 m50 performance you need to spend 130k on a Porsche. Last edited by Ilyam5; 07-15-2019 at 08:17 AM.. |
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I just sold my 2017 T6 Inscription XC90 and have an X5 on order. I put 28k miles on the XC90 so I think I have a pretty good perspective on it. I have posted this elsewhere but below is a quick summary of my thoughts/experiences:
The Good 1. Great exterior design. It is a beautiful car from every angle. 2. Great interior design. Quality of materials is second to none. Anyone that says it isn't on par with BMW is either just plain wrong or a BMW fanboy. 3. Very comfortable to drive and excellent freeway vehicle. 4. Air suspension is well sorted out. The Bad 1. Sensus system, while good in concept, does not have the processing power to truly work well. It takes awhile to load. Sometimes the backup camera wouldn't work when I backup first thing in the morning. Also Carplay didn't always work right and sometimes the volume wouldn't work right. 2. 4-cylinder engine does not belong in a $70k car. The power was only adequate. The motor doesn't sound good and the fuel economy I experienced was horrible (~18mpg) 3. Reliability was fair to middling. I had quiet a few niggling problems (Sensus stopped working, buttons on wheel stopped working, etc.). The worst part was the lack of loaners (our dealership, the largest in San Diego maybe had 10?). I know sounds petty but I don't have time to wait at the dealership. Although they would provide a free rental it would take me an hour to get that all taken care of (picked up, driven to rental shop, wait in line, check out). 4. Blew through all four corners of brake pads in 15k miles. This is common. Leads me to believe the brakes are under engineered. Would I buy another one? If they stick with the 4-cylinder no. If the car had a 6-cylinder I would seriously consider it. The looks and interior are great.
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I have a 2017 XC90 T5, first Volvo (Would have got the R-design if I knew about Volvos when I got mine) and I really like it alot. I definitely prefer the BMW X5 , but its a great car for the money. I hate Lexus. would never ever buy one again.
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I think you tangled your words just a bit lol. And I made this thread a while ago and kind of forgot about it. He got a pretty good deal on a new Q8 and loves it so far.
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I love the XC90 and was really close to buying one. My main issue with it was that whilst it is powerful enough, the economy really isn't much better than the X5 40i yet doesn't have the smoothness of the straight six BMW unit. So you don't really get any tangible advantage for having the smaller 4 Cyl unit so why wouldn't you want the straight six?! That said, I am coming to the X5 from a V70 and that has been an epic car; I love it. The comments regarding the X5 being three years newer tech are bang on, but what is equally impressive is that despite this the XC90 is still selling in huge numbers.
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My wife drives a '18 XC90 Inscription and I will echo a few comments previous. Firstly, I purchased her a used '16 XC90 Inscription in January 2018. It had extended warranty on it so I wasn't too fussed on getting the service history, but looking back, I definitely should have. It turned out that this one was one of the first ones off the assembly line and was an absolute lemon from the get go. In the first 2 years of ownership and less than 30K miles, it had been in the shop for something like 18 different issues! For the short time we owned it (7 months), it was in the shop countless times. The AC compressor alone had to be replaced 4 times. I raised a stink with the owner of the dealership after my complaints to the service manager fell on deaf ears and he agreed to buy it back and give me a very generous discount on a brand new one. The one shocking thing was that I would have assumed that they would have fired it off to auction, but they actually put it back on the lot and sold it to another sucker. There were actually a few on the lot that had been bought back.
On to the positives, I really like the exterior look of them, particularly with the 21' rims. The interior in my mind is much nicer than the X5. Gas consumption is much better than my F15 X5 35i and of course a drop in the bucket relatively to my thirsty G05 X5 50i. The rear storage area is significantly larger than the X5 which was the reason we purchased the vehicle to begin with as we found the rear of my F15 to be on the small side when going away for the weekend with the kids. The engine power or lack thereof as others have stated leaves a lot to be desired. It is adequate, but that's about it for such a large vehicle. That being said, it fits my wife's needs. The main user interface can be a bit buggy at times, but we haven't had any major issues with it. Of course reliability, especially for the 2016s was a major issue, but we haven't faced any major issues with the new one with the exception of a warning that popped up last week stating that the driver assistance is unavailable. |
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