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      01-11-2019, 05:04 PM   #67
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Seriously? BMW should be ashamed to send owners out on the road wo these safety features functional. I mean wtf. This is a huge legal issue.
No, they didn’t. Honestly, I think I know more about the car thanks to this forum than the so call genius. I don’t think they understood exactly what I mean by the corner lights. I’m taking it back Monday for the software programming. We’ll see how it goes. Like I said I don’t care about the wrinkles in the back seat, all the other nonsense in my opinion, things happen with technology, I have a smart home and it’s not 100% I get that. but the safety features they should have made sure everything worked before production.
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Just look at the rotary shift selector lawsuits. Apparently getting out of a car and leaving it in gear is now a safety issue because the car can run over you. BMW acknowledged that obvious fact of physics.

With this issue, if you back over your over dog without the vehicle applying any brake intervention while giving a full tone audible warning (standard in about every low/mid tier car made now) BMW will be crucified in the press and be sued. It just takes one incident. Just ask Audi back in the 80s with their “sudden acceleration” issue. It destroyed their reputation for decades. Google “Audi sudden acceleration” if this is before your time and you will see what I am talking about. We all know this is really about personal responsibility but in today’s day and age that means nothing.

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Turtle, I'm saying folks are claiming the systems are not functioning as expected . Trust me, that's a lawsuit waiting to happen.
You have to be more specific. If you are taking because there is crash, highly unlikely since it is the driver's responsibility. BMW is in no way responsible for a driver having an accident whether or not the systems are/should be functional.

If you are talking about specific performance/lemon, perhaps but there are many steps to go through prior to being able to sue.
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Turtle, I'm saying folks are claiming the systems are not functioning as expected . Trust me, that's a lawsuit waiting to happen.
I agree with turtle, you can’t sue, as much as I would like the possibility. First, when you enter the vehicle it tells you that you’re responsible for driving. It is not claiming to be fully autonomous driving. Even though they have to features to help you at the end of the day, you’re responsible.in other words, if something happens you’re responsible not BMW. Also think about it. Do you think if they would be responsible would they start production knowing they can be liable if something goes wrong. They have great lawyers looking at all the regulations.
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Turtle, I'm saying folks are claiming the systems are not functioning as expected . Trust me, that's a lawsuit waiting to happen.
You have to be more specific. If you are taking because there is crash, highly unlikely since it is the driver's responsibility. BMW is in no way responsible for a driver having an accident whether or not the systems are/should be functional.

If you are talking about specific performance/lemon, perhaps but there are many steps to go through prior to being able to sue.
I do understand. Although I don't use my JD in my current gig, I still recall a little bit. Again my point was: Owners are claiming that the safety function the car allegedly possesses as outlined in the Manual is not functioning as described. That is all. I'm picking up one of said vehicles. I would prefer mine to perform as advertised.
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I'm picking up one of said vehicles. I would prefer mine to perform as advertised.
I agree with that. Hopefully mine will be ready for pickup soon and would like everything to work also. Although I'm still not 100% sure what all should work when. I would be nice if BMW spelled things out more clearly in their marketing information as well as the owner's manual.
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      01-11-2019, 07:24 PM   #73
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Most of the reviews I have read mention it but the BMW web site is a little less clear on it.

Here is what Consumer's Reports said: "BMW’s standard Active Driving Assistant includes forward-collision warning (with a pedestrian and cyclist warning), low-speed automatic emergency braking, blind-spot warning, lane departure warning, rear cross-traffic warning, and rear automatic emergency braking."

The BMW web site: "Active Driving Assistant includes Daytime Pedestrian Protection, Frontal Collision Warning with City Collision Mitigation, Lane Departure Warning, Active Blind Spot Detection, and rear Cross Traffic Alert"
Did not BMW release an official video showcasing daytime pedestrian protection? My memory is faint if there was one about rear cross traffic alert.
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Did not BMW release an official video showcasing daytime pedestrian protection? My memory is faint if there was one about rear cross traffic alert.
There is a video in the online owner's manual that shows how it (pedestrian) should work.

Edit: Here is one that is on youtube concerning frontal collision with City Mitigation in general, not specific to X5 but probably not any difference.

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Have we found any members in this forum that have had this system work. i dont know how to do it but perhaps we could have a poll. When i was a kid this stuff didnt matter to me as i just wanted to hotrod but at 65 and cant hear so well these items are why i buy so i dont have to live with hurting someone. Our q7 does this fine and reliable so i assumed a car 2 years newer would be better.
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Have we found any members in this forum that have had this system work. i dont know how to do it but perhaps we could have a poll. When i was a kid this stuff didnt matter to me as i just wanted to hotrod but at 65 and cant hear so well these items are why i buy so i dont have to live with hurting someone. Our q7 does this fine and reliable so i assumed a car 2 years newer would be better.
Easy enough to test. Take a couch cushion or cardboard box out and try to back up or run into it under 4mph. It will beep and if it doesn’t apply brakes automatically, it doesn’t work. This is the easiest system to check but I seem to be the only to test it so far. Pretend you are backing into a space with the box behind you and you misjudge it by 3 inches and tap the cushion or box with towel over it. We should have more forum testing of basic systems like this. It’s certainly more important than a lot of this minor tech issues.
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Easy enough to test. Take a couch cushion or cardboard box out and try to back up or run into it under 4mph. It will beep and if it doesn’t apply brakes automatically, it doesn’t work. This is the easiest system to check but I seem to be the only to test it so far. Pretend you are backing into a space with the box behind you and you misjudge it by 3 inches and tap the cushion or box with towel over it. We should have more forum testing of basic systems like this. It’s certainly more important than a lot of this minor tech issues.
I have been looking through the owner's manual, marketing literature and the technical training documents and have not found anything saying that the above situations should apply the brakes. Everything I have seen says brakes are only applied at 4mph or above. Was someone able to find a reference to those braking features, not what a CA or Genius said?
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I have been looking through the owner's manual, marketing literature and the technical training documents and have not found anything saying that the above situations should apply the brakes. Everything I have seen says brakes are only applied at 4mph or above. Was someone able to find a reference to those braking features, not what a CA or Genius said?
It’s right in the new X5 user manual.


All our X5’s with all the packages only shows this. Notice no ‘with brake interv” on the iDrive7. Why is this not on our display? Especially when we paid for every option. No one at BMW will give any answers and acts confused. Call the genius up and they don’t have a clue other than their maser tech says it should brake automatically.

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It’s in the manual new X5 user manual.
Sorry, I worded that poorly. I posted that verbiage early. I meant if they spelled out mph (walking speed can vary) so it can be accurately tested and also going forward, that only references going backwards.
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I think the “brake interv” is not coded in any of our cars yet but it should be according to BMW via manual. Can it ever be addressed in firmware update?
The genius answere is “take it to the dealer service and have them open up a ticket”. Ugh... My guess is they know it’s not in there and it’s plausible deniability with their low level Genius operators and tech.

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Check this thread from the G30 side of the house. Looks like the G30 has this feature when parking.
https://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sh....php?t=1047153

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I have the grand-kids tonight sleeping over so i am thinking of testing the collision avoidance tomorrow. There fast little buggers so they should be able to get out of the way if it does not work.
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I have the grand-kids tonight sleeping over so i am thinking of testing the collision avoidance tomorrow. There fast little buggers so they should be able to get out of the way if it does not work.
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I have the grand-kids tonight sleeping over so i am thinking of testing the collision avoidance tomorrow. There fast little buggers so they should be able to get out of the way if it does not work.
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The grand kids got picked up before i could do a human test so i used cushions and different soft objects. i didn't get anything other then the sensors you hear while parking. nothing on the display and no brake assist. i was not going more then about 10 miles an hour.
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The grand kids got picked up before i could do a human test so i used cushions and different soft objects. i didn't get anything other then the sensors you hear while parking. nothing on the display and no brake assist. i was not going more then about 10 miles an hour.
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I tested my Discovery sport with a large cardboard box and someone did the same test with a blow up kangaroo - didn't work.
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I think the “brake interv” is not coded in any of our cars yet but it should be according to BMW via manual. Can it ever be addressed in firmware update?
The genius answere is “take it to the dealer service and have them open up a ticket”. Ugh... My guess is they know it’s not in there and it’s plausible deniability with their low level Genius operators and tech.
I have been in Romania and am playing catch up so again we must forge ahead which may lead to another dead end street?
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