[760Lifan]

Originally Posted by nZtiZia

just as I thought… I never said you made this claim, but I stated this to show your 'point' doesn't hold and in fact it is about wording.


and yet here you are using one page to make your point while disputing the other

No, I never disputed your source. All I did was pointing out that there was another, official source contradicting yours.

If you read my previous posts, I clearly stated that that my argument is that from a marketing POV, BMW considers the M50i to be an M while from a technical POV, it's not. That's the sole reason why I provided the link to the configurator, stating that there is an argument for both sides. When you provided your link, you flat out denied that the M50i could be considered an M whatsoever and I pointed out that it's not that simple.

It would be interesting to obtain an official statement about this from BMW...

If it was as easy as black and white, do you honestly believe we had 5 pages about this topic?

[MystroX5]

I think it’s a brave New World for BMW obviously seeing and addressing the need for variations of M models within the M division. We have never had this before. What this did instead of watering down the M division, it allowed them to tune M cars even further toward the track like CS models. This is why you now can have your M flavors from sporting Road car all the way to Track car and in between still wearing the “M” badge on the back.

It’s not a bad thing unless you are a elitist trying to twist the M division into chest thumping the idea you there is only one kind of “M car” and you either are in the club or not. Those days are over by BMW’s own hand and the M club is a lot bigger with more definitions of what they can be.

Amen and time for a beer.

[nZtiZia]

Originally Posted by 760Lifan

If it was as easy as black and white, do you honestly believe we had 5 pages about this topic?

ok, truce

[IrishSpuds]

Originally Posted by Burnt C6

While it's not a True M with all the bells and whistles it is one hell of a daily driver which is why we bought it. I catch shit from BMW owners in the Houston area because my wife wanted personalize plates for it. Her first few choices were not available or allowed. Her Name is Gay so you can imagine the push back with any name on it. Anyway she chose BLU X6M. believe me she had no clue as to what all of that means and doesn't really care. She saw the M50i model name on the back and door seals and thought it had a nice ring to it. I've had people come up to me and say. that's not a "M" car. I just tell them if my wife's license plate gives you that much grief you should go see a therapist as you need help. 99% of the time it's from people that don't own an "M" car in the first place. I also let them know my 530HP will be long gone before their car gets moving.

👍 So true. The little things that piss people off is hilarious. The anger, vitriol and bitterness from people over a car is amazing. I never gave it a thought when I ordered mine and couldn't give a crap about it now. Now that I have read about the angst, superiority and bitterness of those demanding M reverence, I feel nothing but amusement and pity.

[IrishSpuds]

Originally Posted by jiggie

This thread feels like some folks have an X5 M and want to make sure those with X5 M50i know that they can't call their an M car, at the same time as some folks who have an X5 M50i and want to claim they have an M car.

I don't have a pony in this race so its quite amusing actually, lol.

BINGO.

[760Lifan]

Originally Posted by MystroX5

I think it’s a brave New World for BMW obviously seeing and addressing the need for variations of M models within the M division. We have never had this before. What this did instead of watering down the M division, it allowed them to tune M cars even further toward the track like CS models. This is why you now can have your M flavors from sporting Road car all the way to Track car and in between still wearing the “M” badge on the back.

This is so true.

Earlier, I mentioned the E60 M5. Just look how things developed: The current M550i would run circles around it - LOL!

Not too long ago, I read an article about the M5 and the one who wrote it stated that the M5 became so powerful that it lost its previous level of comfort which was present on the former generations.

So this new M 'entry-level' might also be BMW's approach to bridge that gap for those who still want decent performance yet still a solid level of comfort which you may not find anymore on a CS.

All I can say is that while I owned my X7 M50i, I had a little chrome M-keychain next to my key and I never felt guilty about it.

[CGG]

Originally Posted by MystroX5

This is a “Drop the mic” on the topic if BMW places the M50i is a “M” or not. “Enhanced performance and design, engineered by BMW M.”

Notice you won’t find a 40i regardless of “trim” in the “Black M section”.

Agree with this marketing move or not, it is what it is. Take it up with BMW about what BMW considers their “M cars”.

I agree with you and made the exact same point in my first post. I was told I was wrong, loco and purposely disregarding facts to simply be argumentative. You will never convince them. Haha, got to love it.

[wtwo3]

Originally Posted by 760Lifan

So this new M 'entry-level' might also be BMW's approach to bridge that gap for those who still want decent performance yet still a solid level of comfort which you may not find anymore on a CS.

But the M550i is LITERALLY replacing the 550i in the lineup. The "M entry level" always existed, just the BMW marketing department hadn't called it that yet.

[760Lifan]

Originally Posted by wtwo3

But the M550i is LITERALLY replacing the 550i in the lineup. The "M entry level" always existed, just the BMW marketing department hadn't called it that yet.

Yet, they still gave it another power-bump.

Even the 550i was quicker than previous M-models. Everything moved up. The current 40i is the former V8.

And if a vehicle reaches 500+ HP, why not market it under the performance-label?

[wtwo3]

Originally Posted by 760Lifan

Yet, they still gave it another power-bump.

Even the 550i was quicker than previous M-models. Everything moved up. The current 40i is the former V8.

And if a vehicle reaches 500+ HP, why not market it under the performance-label?

Key word.... MARKET

This is purely a marketing exercise.

Anyway... performance is more than just a horsepower bump. The m550i is dynamically nearly identical to the 540i with m-sport optioned suspension.

[Nuckle]

I'll check back in when this gets to 12 pages 😂😂😂

[Auricom]

Originally Posted by Nuckle

I'll check back in when this gets to 12 pages 😂😂😂

You seen the longest G05 forum thread:

Rear seat leather wrinkly
https://g05.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1548610

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by Auricom

You seen the longest G05 forum thread:

Rear seat leather wrinkly
https://g05.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1548610

I thought the same thing when I saw his post but didn't dare bring up the wrinkly thread for fear of starting that up again.

[Auricom]

Originally Posted by TurtleBoy

I thought the same thing when I saw his post but didn't dare bring up the wrinkly thread for fear of starting that up again.

[Melbourne_X5M]

https://www.bmwusa.com/vehicles/m-models.html

Check this out. In the BMW M Model website, there is no mention of anything other than pure “M” vehicles: No M50i, no M550i…

You can only build “M” vehicles through the BMW M site.

I know what I think this means. Y’all can figure it out for yourselves, maybe.

[evodz]

whoa this got to 6 pages? should of just ended after the first reply. kinda curious how benz debate is for the AMGs under 63

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by Melbourne_X5M

https://www.bmwusa.com/vehicles/m-models.html

Check this out. In the BMW M Model website, there is no mention of anything other than pure “M” vehicles: No M50i, no M550i…

You can only build “M” vehicles through the BMW M site.

I know what I think this means. Y’all can figure it out for yourselves, maybe.

Not that it matters since I think the issue (M models versus vehicles marketed by M) is settled, except for maybe a few outliers, but if you click on the Build from that page it will show the M models as well as the M Performance.

[Melbourne_X5M]

Originally Posted by TurtleBoy

Not that it matters since I think the issue (M models versus vehicles marketed by M) is settled, except for maybe a few outliers, but if you click on the Build from that page it will show the M models as well as the M Performance.

Exactly. It is as ambiguous as these 6 pages indicates. I’ve decided that my current X5 40i Xdrive versions are M-Cars because of the M within BMW.

Sarcasm.

[jiggie]

Originally Posted by Melbourne_X5M

Exactly. It is as ambiguous as these 6 pages indicates. I’ve decided that my current X5 40i Xdrive versions are M-Cars because of the M within BMW.

Sarcasm.

Sick, so does that mean my M Sport package on my 45e means its an M too ?? It has the M on the steering wheel and I think the brakes!

[wtwo3]

Originally Posted by evodz

whoa this got to 6 pages? should of just ended after the first reply. kinda curious how benz debate is for the AMGs under 63

It's a similar debate.... C63 owners vs. the C43 owners.

And you get gems like this:

[Alan l.]

Originally Posted by jiggie

Sick, so does that mean my M Sport package on my 45e means its an M too ?? It has the M on the steering wheel and I think the brakes!

Apparently you can because its much easier to just say you drive an
X5 M........ instead of X5 or X5 Msport

Alan

[Nuckle]

Not sure why I can't stay away but I do have a question.

I put ///M stickers on my wife's knee scooter when she had foot surgery. Is it an ///M?