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Any opinions on the upcoming Genesis GV80? From some of the early videos I've seen, it looks like quite the luxurious vehicle for what should be a much lower price than BMW/Mercedes/Audi.

A lot of reviewers are bringing up the X5 and GLE as being in the GV80's crosshairs.

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Any opinions on the upcoming Genesis GV80? From some of the early videos I've seen, it looks like quite the luxurious vehicle for what should be a much lower price than BMW/Mercedes/Audi.

A lot of reviewers are bringing up the X5 and GLE as being in the GV80's crosshairs.

Thoughts?

Here are a couple videos:
It doesn't look to have any really important advantages over the X5, there are some differences of course but feature for feature, nothing I saw stood out. However, with owners, and onlookers, of the X5 and its reliability issues, people are wanting a competitive offering. Even though this will be the first year out for the GV80, Hyundai's already proven reliability in addition to their longer bumper to bumper warranty over BMW, will take some marketshare.

Its going to depend on its performance figures which are not yet released. The V6, if it does a 0-60 in the 5-5.6 second range and at a final price point of say $15-18K below the X5 40i, may be enough to persuade BMW buyers to make the switch.

I didn't notice any back seat wrinkles The front grill is a little hard to walk up to though - ugh - but all the makes are growing their grills.
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Saw it before, and I expect it will be a quality offering if other Genesis models are a predictor. My initial (and maybe not get-overable) first-blush problems with it are 1) the chicken-wire grill in the front, 2) the poofy-cushion steering wheel, 3) oddish center shift control, and 4) the narrow letterbox touchscreen and its popup dash location. Just looks, but....

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When he mentioned that it would be less money than the Bentley Bentaga, I laughed so hard I spit my coffee.
These low end Asian car companies love to be mentioned in sentences with BMW, Porsche, MB, Audi, etc... as if they are on par with the historical big boys. It’s marketing 101. These Asian vehicles have zero soul and zero original design elements. They have no idea who they are or unique identity because all they’ve been doing is copying elements of other vehicles for years with cheaper materials. Like a knock off Prada bag.
Not gonna happen and not gonna be a serious player to the Germans. They may snipe a few sales from Lincoln or Buick.

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Issue with Hyndais/Genesis – they concentrate so much on convenience and features chasing top brands and forget about driving dynamics – thinking it is not important to people. Maybe it is not to some buyers and they do not mind that those cars handle like bricks.
But being an enthusiast board - maybe we should consider SUv handling continuum from best handling to worst 😊
Here is first stab at it

1) Urus
2) Porshe Cayenne Turbo
3) BMWx4M (x3M)
4) BMw x6M (with X5M bit behind)
5) BMW x6 M50 (with x5 M 50 bit behind)
Below is BMW x5 40 M sport duking it out with regular Cayenne, X3 M40, and other
performance SUVs from Alfa Stelvio, Jaguar SVR, Jeep trailhawk.
Bottom of handling chain will start with
Audi Rs, S or reqular q7 (Q8) with regular understeer issues
Mb GLE 450 with couch ride qualities
Underneath are Lincoln aviator, Kia telluride and Hynday.

Genesis should fit somewhere with Audi and MBGLE 450 right above Lincoln and Telluride.
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They did a great job.

First thoughts: Aftermarket custom replacement front grill (or at least painted black), add spacers to square the stance, and debadge...
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When he mentioned that it would be less money than the Bentley Bentaga, I laughed so hard I spit my coffee.
These low end Asian car companies love to be mentioned in sentences with BMW, Porsche, MB, Audi, etc... as if they are on par with the historical big boys. It’s marketing 101. These Asian vehicles have zero soul and zero original design elements. They have no idea who they are or unique identity because all they’ve been doing is copying elements of other vehicles for years with cheaper materials. Like a knock off Prada bag.
Not gonna happen and not gonna be a serious player to the Germans. They may snipe a few sales from Lincoln or Buick.
Well said. Personally I wouldn't keep any new German car after it's out of warranty (or imports if I had one) with all of the tech in them now, but I'm not ever cross-shopping BMW with Hyundai/Kia/Nissan/Toyota etc regardless of any of them being less money or possibly being more reliable.
I would assume those who are would only be someone who buys entry level German or someone who puts little emphasis on the importance of driving dynamics and main emphasis just the overall cost (savings) of the vehicle.
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Keep in mind that many people initially assemble a spreadsheet when comparing cars. They do this in order to assure themselves that they are getting the features they want. Doing so would put the new GV80 in the running with us. Well, a caveat at this point is that I don't yet know the performance or pricing but none the less, feature by feature from what I saw in the videos, it would compare.

So the fun begins when you go and drive it, (or the Telluride, Palisade, etc) that's when its going to fall apart. That said, for those who are looking to spend a lot less yet still get the features they want might buy it.

If the Korean's really want to compete with the Germans, they will have to put some focus on their powerplant and handling, not just features, fit and finish. I've never driven a Korean car, no clue about them. What I am thinking though is that if BMW doesn't get their reliability act together and deliver on their promises, we will see owners make the switch to something else, just as we have seen by reading their posts on this forum.

Sure, maybe the grass is greener on the other side and maybe after switching they will return to BMW but that's all hindsight that can only be known after the switch.
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When he mentioned that it would be less money than the Bentley Bentaga, I laughed so hard I spit my coffee.
These low end Asian car companies love to be mentioned in sentences with BMW, Porsche, MB, Audi, etc... as if they are on par with the historical big boys. It’s marketing 101. These Asian vehicles have zero soul and zero original design elements. They have no idea who they are or unique identity because all they’ve been doing is copying elements of other vehicles for years with cheaper materials. Like a knock off Prada bag.
Not gonna happen and not gonna be a serious player to the Germans. They may snipe a few sales from Lincoln or Buick.
I'm not so sure, I think they're changing.

A friend of mine has a 2019 KIA Stinger GT, which I read has been designed by Ex BMW engineers who KIA persuaded to bring over as employees - I presume to bring some performance and "soul" to their cars.

Anyway, the Stinger GT does 0-100kph (60mph) in 4.9 seconds, and is loaded with heaps of features. That's faster than 40i, 50D and 50i I think (not the M version).
Not bad for a car that costs around $50k (Aus dollars/AUD) or around $30k (USD).
My friend looked at 3 and 4-series BMWs, and to spec it up to the equivalent (features and performance wise) would have cost him well in excess of $100k (AUD). So far so good, his car has had no issues or bugs, but time will tell how well it holds up - in terms of quality, reliability and durability - but I guess there's a market there at that price point.

At the end of the day, its still a KIA - and they dont have anything that comes close to the X5, but watch this space - there's a reason Toyota are #1 in the world, its called tenacity...

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I'm not so sure, I think they're changing.

A friend of mine has a 2019 KIA Stinger GT, which I read has been designed by Ex BMW engineers who KIA persuaded to bring over as employees - I presume to bring some performance and "soul" to their cars.

Anyway, the Stinger GT does 0-100kph (60mph) in 4.9 seconds, and is loaded with heaps of features. That's faster than 40i, 50D and 50i I think (not the M version).
Not bad for a car that costs around $50k (Aus dollars/AUD) or around $30k (USD).
My friend looked at 3 and 4-series BMWs, and to spec it up to the equivalent (features and performance wise) would have cost him well in excess of $100k (AUD). So far so good, his car has had no issues or bugs, but time will tell how well it holds up - in terms of quality, reliability and durability - but I guess there's a market there at that price point.

At the end of the day, its still a KIA - and they dont have anything that comes close to the X5, but watch this space - there's a reason Toyota are #1 in the world, its called tenacity...
Our G05 X5 50i M-Sport does 3.9 seconds 0-60mph. The X5 M50i does 3.7 seconds 0-60mph via my/our owners real world Draggy times. I think even the X5 40i might take it as it’s putting down 4.8 seconds 0-60mph.

Point is,....these are V8TT full size luxury/muscle SUV’ and still will eat up their top Stinger sports car. In the end you can’t out run crappy build quality. Kia will never come close to BMW let alone a full M Division car. Totally different zip codes. Kia had the automotive press push the Stinger as hard as they could trying to get any performance credibility and in the end marketing and price point building is not going to take on the big dogs.

My gut says the Genius branding will be more popular in China where Buick is a huge seller.

Honestly it’s been said over and over as to what level and experience you look for in a automobile and If you can’t tell the difference between a Kia/Mazda/etc.... to a luxury/performance German car then save your money and buy Asian. Why spend extra money on qualities and features you won’t appreciate??? This was always the common advise at PCA when justification of price and brands are discussed. Why buy steak when a hamburger will satisfy.

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I think its funny when people slam Asian brands. Kia and Genesis are really putting in the effort. G70 was COTY.

I've had 69 cars. Many Infinitis, GT-R, Nissan Zs as track cars, a Lexus or two, Jeeps, pretty much the gamut, etc.

The only cars I've had issues with, and ultimately got bought back, were my BMWs (1991 530i and 2008 550i, Audi, and my Vantage V8.

I have an 18 X5 that I bought beginning of 19 as I knew better than try a new model year of a BMW. And all the issues with the 19s are known.

Hoping to trade it this or next week for a 20 X5 MSport - now that the bugs are worked out.

I wonder if they are going to so a "Sport" version of this - or just leave it at "Young Luxury"? That pitch alone tells me they still dont' 100% understand the US market.
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That front grill just knocks me off, may change my opinion if I see a car on road but until then its a big NO!!
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Well, a caveat at this point is that I don't yet know the performance or pricing but none the less, feature by feature from what I saw in the videos, it would compare.
0-60 should be about 5.7 according to a leak last night that was published and then pulled. The fully loaded 3.5T will top out around $65k.

It will have some tech advantages over the X5 but the driving dynamics will not be close. They are concentrating on the luxury aspect of the vehicle.
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I wonder if they are going to so a "Sport" version of this - or just leave it at "Young Luxury"? That pitch alone tells me they still dont' 100% understand the US market.
There are currently no plans for a sport version. Last week Biermann said in an interview that he would love to have a sport version but they are in no hurry to create one.
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They will need to fight with Lexus, Volvo, Cadillac, infinity but definitely not with the German cars. I think the design is to much, the turn signals the light the front grill is just to much.
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I've owned 13 BMWs, mostly new, but the X5 is my last new one. I'm not an exclusive BMW Fanboy and the Genesis is, or will be, on my short list to replace the X5 unless I decide to go back to a sedan.

I'll be looking at a low mileage off lease or loaner vehicles. With the 10 yr/10k mile drive train warranty Genesis and it's other Korean cousins are attractive as used vehicles. They also suffer big depreciation hits just like BMWs.

I watched the Super Bowl commercial online and the GV80 looks to be an attractive vehicle. A road test, however, is a must.
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They just put the Build up (no prices) for the GV80 and it is very disappointing. Given very few options/packages and customizations I don't think the German's have anything to worry about.

For example, if you want to get it fully loaded you must get the 22" wheels. Given the don't offer air suspension and their tires are fairly low profile I don't think that will offer a ride many folks would like to have.

https://www.genesis.com/us/en/2021/g...0-reserve.html
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Our G05 X5 50i M-Sport does 3.9 seconds 0-60mph. The X5 M50i does 3.7 seconds 0-60mph via my/our owners real world Draggy times. I think even the X5 40i might take it as it’s putting down 4.8 seconds 0-60mph.

Point is,....these are V8TT full size luxury/muscle SUV’ and still will eat up their top Stinger sports car. In the end you can’t out run crappy build quality. Kia will never come close to BMW let alone a full M Division car. Totally different zip codes. Kia had the automotive press push the Stinger as hard as they could trying to get any performance credibility and in the end marketing and price point building is not going to take on the big dogs.

My gut says the Genius branding will be more popular in China where Buick is a huge seller.

Honestly it’s been said over and over as to what level and experience you look for in a automobile and If you can’t tell the difference between a Kia/Mazda/etc.... to a luxury/performance German car then save your money and buy Asian. Why spend extra money on qualities and features you won’t appreciate??? This was always the common advise at PCA when justification of price and brands are discussed. Why buy steak when a hamburger will satisfy.
You know comments like these always make me laugh, and by far show very immature thinking.

The one thing Asian car companies do really well is copy, iterate, update, and they continue this cycle until they hit the mark, especially in quality. It early days for the Korean car companies, so watch this space.

My own personal experience of quality is that I am on my 2nd G05, because the first had to go back as it was a complete "lemon" with a long and continued list of faults and issues. It doesn't take too much reading on this forum to uncover the level of quality of the G05. So from my perspective BMW is quickly losing its reputation in the quality stakes as far as I'm concerned.

As far as straight line speed is concerned, "In god I trust, all others post Youtube videos".
Its interesting someone can still be in the same ball-park as far as straight line speed performance is concerned and only pay 30% of what you're paying. But that's OK, the depreciation hit you take will take care of that.

I'm still loving my X5 G05, I think its the best car I've ever owned, it suits my needs perfectly and I plan on keeping it for a very long time.
Would I go buy a Hyundai or Kia ? - probably not right now, mainly because they don't make anything equivalent to the X5 at the moment, but in 15-20 years time the market will change dramatically - especially with the emergence of PHEVs and EVs.

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The one thing Asian car companies do really well is copy, iterate, update, and they continue this cycle until they hit the mark, especially in quality.
As far as reliability goes, BMW doesn't seem to come close to achieving what Genesis and Hyundai does in that area. Obviously BMW uses much higher quality parts and materials than Hyundai but it is much closer for Genesis.

Where Genesis really falls down is the dealers and the service. It may be many years until they can reach the level that most consumers in this segment expect.
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