[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by keeva381

Dumb question but if I get DHP on a G06 will I have the "air suspension" button on the center console? Dealer didn't know the answer when I asked.

Get a new dealer. DHP on the G06 includes the Adaptive M Suspension Professional and not the air suspension.

[keeva381]

Get a new dealer. DHP on the G06 includes the Adaptive M Suspension Professional and not the air suspension.

I know right. So that means since it's "adaptive" I can't control it myself manually at any point (to raise or lower it to take groceries out). I haven't seen DHP in person so I'm asking the dumb questions here!

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by keeva381

I know right. So that means since it's "adaptive" I can't control it myself manually at any point (to raise or lower it to take groceries out). I haven't seen DHP in person so I'm asking the dumb questions here!

It never changes level, only the air suspension does that.

[SmartSaves]

Originally Posted by keeva381

I know right. So that means since it's "adaptive" I can't control it myself manually at any point (to raise or lower it to take groceries out). I haven't seen DHP in person so I'm asking the dumb questions here!

You are correct. No height adjustments.

I'll repeat as others have said before: Get the DHP and thank us later

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by SmartSaves

I'll repeat as others have said before: Get the DHP and thank us later

I'm in the other camp, get the air suspension and you will thank us later.

[SmartSaves]

Originally Posted by TurtleBoy

I'm in the other camp, get the air suspension and you will thank us later.

Ha ha fair enough. Personal decision at the end.

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by SmartSaves

Ha ha fair enough. Personal decision at the end.

Yes definitely. It all depends on what expectations a person has, what type of driving they will do, what type of experience they have etc. What is harsh to one is sporty to another. The floaty feeling one has is not felt by another and spirited driving by one person may seem sedate by another. What it boils down to is that the X5 is able to provide the driving feel/experience that just about everyone wants by offering various suspension options. It is up to the consumer to take advantage of that by testing out the different suspensions and choosing the one that he/she feels will perform the best for them.

[Auricom]

Originally Posted by keeva381

I know right. So that means since it's "adaptive" I can't control it myself manually at any point (to raise or lower it to take groceries out). I haven't seen DHP in person so I'm asking the dumb questions here!

You're conflating adaptive with adjustable ride height.

All USA BMW X5/6/7 have adaptive suspensions as standard.

Your vehicle's ride — suspension damping (steel or air springs/shocks), transmission, steering and engine response — is continuously adjusting or adapting based on the user selectable Driving Experience Control (Comfort, Sport, ECO Pro, Adaptive) or individually customized Driving Experience Control (Sport and ECO Pro Individual) preset.


I blanked out my air suspension control to give you an idea of what it the control area looks like w/o the toggle. Highlighted green the Driving Experience Control presets.




You can adjust and save your own SPORT Individual driving present

[twinturbomann]

X5 bloaty feel = you made the ultimate mistake by not opting DHP. There is nothing you can do to get around this but sell your ride then upgrade to a X5 w/DHP. Honestly, the DHP option should be standard but it’s not.

A non DHP X5 will have your wife/gf telling your ass to slow down around the turns because of the awful suv lean or terrified passengers giving you the look.

Any of you future X5 owners, get the DHP! The folks that made the mistake I made not getting the DHP, will most likely regret it. It definitely leans way too much when you push it around the turns in any drive mode.

I regret it every time I get in the X5 but it’s paid off so trying to deal with it.

[keeva381]

X5 bloaty feel = you made the ultimate mistake by not opting DHP. There is nothing you can do to get around this but sell your ride then upgrade to a X5 w/DHP. Honestly, the DHP option should be standard but it’s not.

A non DHP X5 will have your wife/gf telling your ass to slow down around the turns because of the awful suv lean or terrified passengers giving you the look.

Any of you future X5 owners, get the DHP! The folks that made the mistake I made not getting the DHP. It definitely leans way too when you push it around the turns on adaptive sport +

I regret it every time I get in the X5 but it’s paid off so trying to deal with it.

I've certainly read enough about DHP that I'd rather have it for my 3 year lease vs not. So I will be ordering it. I was just trying to figure out if I would be able to manually adjust the height when the car is in park (ie, the air suspension button on the console).

[DENtoLAS]

Originally Posted by twinturbomann

X5 bloaty feel = you made the ultimate mistake by not opting DHP. There is nothing you can do to get around this but sell your ride then upgrade to a X5 w/DHP. Honestly, the DHP option should be standard but it’s not.

A non DHP X5 will have your wife/gf telling your ass to slow down around the turns because of the awful suv lean or terrified passengers giving you the look.

Any of you future X5 owners, get the DHP! The folks that made the mistake I made not getting the DHP, will most likely regret it. It definitely leans way too much when you push it around the turns in any drive mode.

I regret it every time I get in the X5 but it’s paid off so trying to deal with it.

Is this also true if you have the regular M Adaptive Suspension included in the sport package? (40i).

[Auricom]

Originally Posted by twinturbomann

X5 bloaty feel = you made the ultimate mistake by not opting DHP. There is nothing you can do to get around this but sell your ride then upgrade to a X5 w/DHP. Honestly, the DHP option should be standard but it’s not.

A non DHP X5 will have your wife/gf telling your ass to slow down around the turns because of the awful suv lean or terrified passengers giving you the look.

Any of you future X5 owners, get the DHP! The folks that made the mistake I made not getting the DHP, will most likely regret it. It definitely leans way too much when you push it around the turns in any drive mode.

I regret it every time I get in the X5 but it’s paid off so trying to deal with it.

Summary, if you're in the market for a X5 in the USA, don't consider anything less than a M50i with DHP since BMWNA doesn't offer DHP option on xDrive40i M Sport.

[Auricom]

Originally Posted by DENtoLAS

Is this also true if you have the regular M Adaptive Suspension included in the sport package? (40i).

None of the suspension options available on the G05 xDrive40i include active roll stabilization, so yes it's going to roll too.

[keeva381]

None of the suspension options available on the xDrive40i include active roll stabilization, so yes it's going to roll too.

Not true on the G06. I see active roll stabilization on my build when I select DHP (x40i engine).

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by Auricom

None of the suspension options available on the xDrive40i include active roll stabilization, so yes it's going to roll too.

I think you have to add some clarification, it will roll if you drive it hard enough to roll. I personally have never felt any roll. Maybe I have never taken a turn fast enough to have it happen or I just don't know what it is.

[Auricom]

Originally Posted by keeva381

Not true on the G06. I see active roll stabilization on my build when I select DHP (x40i engine).

Discussion was has been regarding G05 not G06 but yes G06's are an exception.

[Auricom]

Originally Posted by TurtleBoy

I think you have to add some clarification, it will roll if you drive it hard enough to roll. I personally have never felt any roll. Maybe I have never taken a turn fast enough to have it happen or I just don't know what it is.

Perhaps they should have said lean - aka body roll not roll as in roll over. It's going to exhibit lean going around curves - how much lean is dependent on how fast you're taking it. If you're going speed limit then sure slight lean where you might not notice.

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by Auricom

Perhaps they should have said lean - aka body roll not roll as in roll over. It's going to exhibit lean going around curves - how much lean is dependent on how fast you're taking it. If you're going speed limit then sure slight lean where you might not notice.

I understand, I was using roll as meaning lean. Since discussions of the lean/roll/etc. have started I have tried to experience it but have not. Perhaps I just don't know what the feeling is. I even went fast around turns the other week with my wife in the X5 and she didn't notice anything either. I drive in adaptive with the suspension lowered so maybe that helps.

[Auricom]

Originally Posted by TurtleBoy

I understand, I was using roll as meaning lean. Since discussions of the lean/roll/etc. have started I have tried to experience it but have not. Perhaps I just don't know what the feeling is. I even went fast around turns the other week with my wife in the X5 and she didn't notice anything either. I drive in adaptive with the suspension lowered so maybe that helps.

Ja, no worries. I usually get vehicles to drive for a week and detail various driving styles from leisurely daily driving to pushing the dynamic limits on the track. Most owners won't push their vehicles on a daily basis but since this is an enthusiast forum and some owners do - it's best to say for the 20% the flattest handling X5/6 - grab one with DHP, the other 80% will still have an exceptional handling SAV that tilts for your pleasure

[SmartSaves]

I don't blame the owners here for not having good understanding on the IAS/four wheel steering, Active Roll Sway Bar, torque vectoring limited slip differential (LSD). BMW doesn't explain it well, no good videos available either. Even the dealership people don't know a whole lot about DHP. They think it is for people who takes their vehicle to track!

Most owners will be happy to just have the xDrive with air suspension, nothing wrong with that if that's what they prefer. However, IMO, for those who cares about handling and prefer a confident ride in any weather conditions should at least opt for LSD (if available), DHP package is just next level. After all there is a reason why M vehicles are not equipped with air suspension.

If I don't have DHP or have never tried it before then it doesn't make sense for me to talk against it because I simply don't know or don't have enough experience about it to comment. Many potential owners rely on our knowledge to choose their options and we should be careful with our influence.

[Ilyam5]

I know everyone says – get DHP – but It is not as black and white
Let’s get couple of things out of the way first:
1) – For true performance driving – any electronic nannies are deterioration from being connected to the car. Lean is good in the corners so you can feel what the car is doing. Most true performance cars have no adaptive elements in suspension. Reason being – active elements mask the true connection to the car and “Hide the handling limit’ In other words - active roll stabilization hides the lean of the car and at the limit snaps – you lose control.
2) – In modern cars with growing weight - all the nannies are designed to give the car dual nature – comfortable for grannies and aggressive for enthusiast. So most of the adds – are not there to improve performance – they are there to hide the aggressive nature of suspension and make the ca softer, more user friendly for everyday use
3) - there is a reason why most of M cars do not use adaptive roll or active steering.

DHP in US comes with integrated steering which really takes away from the true feel of the car at speed. Yes you get used to it but why? So you can park in the tight garage easier? Again that’s why they did not include it in M x5.
Active roll is used in the x5M to hide the mass and make it more appealing to the street user, and if active roll was available as standalone option – maybe more would take it
DHP as it stands now with IAS – is a no go for me.

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by SmartSaves

If I don't have DHP or have never tried it before then it doesn't make sense for me to talk against it because I simply don't know or don't have enough experience about it to comment. Many potential owners rely on our knowledge to choose their options and we should be careful with our influence.

Exactly, that is why many of the comments here along the lines of "DHP is a must have" are reckless and misleading. Only a small percentage of drivers will even understand or appreciate having DHP. I have seen posters here question their ordered build and become worried that their X5 will be wobbling down the road without it. There is no need for that and everything should be put into context.