[Unit]

Has anyone heard of any containers leaving the US for Europe yet (if at all)? I've a weird feeling my car may actually arrive early now it's built given the US still seems to be functioning unlike the Europe.

[Graham11]

I actually got one of the last cars off the production line before Spartanburg shutting down. They were even able to ship it to my local dealer BUT unfortunately the dealership is closed and won't allow me to pick up my brand new X5 M50i... its almost worse knowing its right there. At least if i was still waiting like some, I could cancel and get next year model at this point.

[UKMS]

Originally Posted by Unit

Has anyone heard of any containers leaving the US for Europe yet (if at all)? I've a weird feeling my car may actually arrive early now it's built given the US still seems to be functioning unlike the Europe.

Not sure of the routes now but when my F15 came across the pond (to UK) there were various routes that the ships took, some stopping in more than one port on way to UK, so may not be that simple in the current climate.

[Graham11]

Originally Posted by Unit

Has anyone heard of any containers leaving the US for Europe yet (if at all)? I've a weird feeling my car may actually arrive early now it's built given the US still seems to be functioning unlike the Europe.

I don't think you will be seeing any cars coming into port any time soon. They have already stopped a lot of shipping boats from coming to port because there are no where to put all the cars. Many ships have been told to switch to half power to prolong their journey otherwise they'll be forced to anchor off the coast. This may not be true everywhere yet though.

And the USA is definitely not functioning. Basically every business has shut down unless it can be down from home. Spartanburg closed as 3/29.

[puckybadger]

IMO: MY2020 production is over. Spartenburg may open July, or August, or later.
Toronto, Canada has shut down until July 1

[GSG5]

Originally Posted by puckybadger

IMO: MY2020 production is over. Spartenburg may open July, or August, or later.
Toronto, Canada has shut down until July 1

I hope you’re correct and, at this point, it only make sense for both BMW and the customer...although an argument could be made that its not best for BMW if their pending (but delayed) 2020MY orders are only further delayed to accommodate the release of 2021MY ordering, delivery, etc. That’s a cash flow issue they’d need to weigh against plowing forward with renewed production of 2020MY vehicles that will likely need to discount in order to move at the same pace.

Selfishly, I’m kinda hoping this happens and that BMW just accelerates the 2021MY process (ordering guides, production schedules) once things eventually do come back online...whenever that may be. My production week got moved from 14 (April delivery) to 21 (early June delivery), but I’m actually hoping it get pushed even further to just make it plainly obvious to me/dealer/BMW that we might as well just start over with 2021MY.

My only caveat is that it needs to happen such that I can take delivery before November 2020 or else I lose a material sales tax credit from a car I already traded in with the dealer (they can only hold that sales tax credit in TX for up to 12 months).

[Pateeke81]

Originally Posted by GSG5

I hope you’re correct and, at this point, it only make sense for both BMW and the customer...although an argument could be made that its not best for BMW if their pending (but delayed) 2020MY orders are only further delayed to accommodate the release of 2021MY ordering, delivery, etc. That’s a cash flow issue they’d need to weigh against plowing forward with renewed production of 2020MY vehicles that will likely need to discount in order to move at the same pace.

Selfishly, I’m kinda hoping this happens and that BMW just accelerates the 2021MY process (ordering guides, production schedules) once things eventually do come back online...whenever that may be. My production week got moved from 14 (April delivery) to 21 (early June delivery), but I’m actually hoping it get pushed even further to just make it plainly obvious to me/dealer/BMW that we might as well just start over with 2021MY.

My only caveat is that it needs to happen such that I can take delivery before November 2020 or else I lose a material sales tax credit from a car I already traded in with the dealer (they can only hold that sales tax credit in TX for up to 12 months).

That's a 7 week delay for a shutdown that was only supposed to be 2 weeks?

[Heavyd]

Originally Posted by GSG5

I hope you’re correct and, at this point, it only make sense for both BMW and the customer...although an argument could be made that its not best for BMW if their pending (but delayed) 2020MY orders are only further delayed to accommodate the release of 2021MY ordering, delivery, etc. That’s a cash flow issue they’d need to weigh against plowing forward with renewed production of 2020MY vehicles that will likely need to discount in order to move at the same pace.

Selfishly, I’m kinda hoping this happens and that BMW just accelerates the 2021MY process (ordering guides, production schedules) once things eventually do come back online...whenever that may be. My production week got moved from 14 (April delivery) to 21 (early June delivery), but I’m actually hoping it get pushed even further to just make it plainly obvious to me/dealer/BMW that we might as well just start over with 2021MY.

My only caveat is that it needs to happen such that I can take delivery before November 2020 or else I lose a material sales tax credit from a car I already traded in with the dealer (they can only hold that sales tax credit in TX for up to 12 months).

I would like that also. That BMW makes a statement production MY2020 is stopped and we will start with production MY2021 in the summer.
I ordered in July last year, production week 14 got cancelled and I have no clue when there will be a new production week. But it will not be soon.

How things are going now I can't believe Spartanburg will open April 12th. European plants opening April 19th? I don't see that happening.
In best case somewhere in June I think. It would be stupid to start producing MY2020 cars at that moment.

[pho]

We can speculate all we want but I’m sure even the CEO of BMW doesn’t know what will happen at this point. Especially for Spartanburg and the X production, a lot will depend on what the situation in the US will evolve to (and some experts in the EU are predicting it won’t be pretty)
I’ve got an X5 on order that was scheduled for production first week of May, but I’m mentally preparing for a call from my sales rep asking me if I want to have my winter wheels fitted on delivery...
Stay safe, be sane and flatten the curve.

[Skilly]

Originally Posted by pho

We can speculate all we want but I’m sure even the CEO of BMW doesn’t know what will happen at this point. Especially for Spartanburg and the X production, a lot will depend on what the situation in the US will evolve to (and some experts in the EU are predicting it won’t be pretty)
I’ve got an X5 on order that was scheduled for production first week of May, but I’m mentally preparing for a call from my sales rep asking me if I want to have my winter wheels fitted on delivery...
Stay safe, be sane and flatten the curve.

Well, as of today their first order of business was:

1. they appear to have extended the 2.99% rate (thats a yawner)
2. for vehicles purchased between March 1st and June 30th - if you have a payment they are giving you a 90 day payment holiday.

I think these are really just options while everyone walks around in the dark.

[Skilly]

Originally Posted by Pateeke81

That's a 7 week delay for a shutdown that was only supposed to be 2 weeks?

yup. and Id say 7 weeks is best case. It could easily protract long into 12 weeks (or more).

Just the logistics of firing up global factories alone!...all 3 supplying the X5 have to start together and depend on each others materials to complete their task. Then you have supply chains for those major parts and then shipping channels that may not be fully operational. This could all be held back for weeks because a discombobulator is being sourced in Spain and that factory is on lock down or closed because its insolvent.

If this gets sorted out before the MY shift, luck will have a significant factor in that success.

[888RRE]

I ordered my X5 m50i in January, currently it is sitting on a ship in the ocean on its way to Auckland NZ, then on to Sydney Australia. Apparently it arrives here April 10th, then on to dealer and i should have the car here week of 20th hopefully. We aren't in a lock down as such due to corona virus, can only leave home to work and thats about it. fingers crossed, few weeks now.

[martin mustang]

Our delivery was for July, god knows now with the shutdown and all! maybe with this production break, BMW will implement changes normally only possible during holidays closures, and fixes to any existing bugs.

[lovelight]

Vehicles that made it out before the manufacturing shut down appear to be progressing. Our X5 just changed from "At the port" to "In transit". I assume that it will need to move from the west coast depot and onto a truck to make it up north to Seattle. That's probably going to be the least predictable part of the entire process.

[Graham11]

Originally Posted by lovelight

Vehicles that made it out before the manufacturing shut down appear to be progressing. Our X5 just changed from "At the port" to "In transit". I assume that it will need to move from the west coast depot and onto a truck to make it up north to Seattle. That's probably going to be the least predictable part of the entire process.

Yes, my x5 m50i made it to the dealership last week... unfortunately in PA they have shut down all auto sales because it wasn't considered essential but apparently that may be lifted soon, at least to allow for transactions digitally limiting any person to person contact beyond the actual delivery of the car which really shouldnt be an issue assuming you dont hug your tow truck driver.

[BryanC84]

I'm curious. What does a MY2020 vs MY2021 offer? Other than later build date.

In the UK, vehicles are registered in 2 phases. March - August, September - February.

Anything arriving up to August 31 2020 will have a '20' plate. Anything arriving after, up to Feb 2021, will have a '70' plate.

Next year it goes to 21/71.
For us.. i see no advantage

[GSG5]

Originally Posted by BryanC84

I'm curious. What does a MY2020 vs MY2021 offer? Other than later build date.

In the UK, vehicles are registered in 2 phases. March - August, September - February.

Anything arriving up to August 31 2020 will have a '20' plate. Anything arriving after, up to Feb 2021, will have a '70' plate.

Next year it goes to 21/71.
For us.. i see no advantage

The only reason I (might) prefer MY2021 over MY2020 is if more options were offered on the MY2021. I’ve got an F95 on order and while I’m excited about it, I expect a couple new options in future years.

[Skilly]

Originally Posted by GSG5

The only reason I (might) prefer MY2021 over MY2020 is if more options were offered on the MY2021. I’ve got an F95 on order and while I’m excited about it, I expect a couple new options in future years.

All other things being equal, there's about a 5K to 10K delta in terms of a build with a 2020 designation vs a 2021 even if they are built a month apart.

[Unit]

Spoke to BMW; my M50i is sat in port awaiting shipping but they have no idea when it will leave. Also been told to expect it to sit in storage upon arrival in the UK due to the dealer network being closed.

Interestingly for those already with cars your warranty is extended for any delayed services (my M4 needs its 15k oil change soon but no dealers open to do it).

[GSG5]

Originally Posted by Skilly

All other things being equal, there's about a 5K to 10K delta in terms of a build with a 2020 designation vs a 2021 even if they are built a month apart.

Are you suggesting this delta exists in terms of a new car purchase price (i.e. you could negotiate ~$5-10k more on a 2020 within a month of the 2021 coming out)? Or are you saying, regardless of purchase price, that the value (e.g. secondary sale or trade-in) is generally higher on the newer model by that amount?

I assume you meant the latter...although I suspect both are true to some extent.

[jole996]

My week 13 X6 build still has Production Complete status, for 7 days now. Not progressing. Sitting somewhere parked outside Spartanburg plant probably...

[Pateeke81]

Originally Posted by jole996

My week 13 X6 build still has Production Complete status, for 7 days now. Not progressing. Sitting somewhere parked outside Spartanburg plant probably...

I wouldn't complain in your case.
I'd be surprised to see my scheduled W16 build at all this year.