[lely09]

I know this is highly contested, but I want the car looking sweet all year long. Since I'm putting 22" Scorpion Winters on, I think it's already accomplishing the "goal" of having the right tire for the right season.

My question is should I go square or should I get the wider 315's in the back like the summer set? Is the squared route only better because you can rotate the tires? Is it because they are a bit less wide so technically a better winter tire? Does anyone know if the square setup looks goofy on the wider rim, even though it technically fits?

[HuskerNSC]

I have the 22" 742M's squared up. I have the 9" wide rims all the way around. I did this with all seasons (live in South Carolina).

Benefits I see.

- Keep the looks of the 22"
- Opens up more tire options (I run the Michelin Pilot Sport All Season Plus 4).
- Tire Rotation

Downsides.
- Back doesn't look quite as aggressive from behind, but not horrible.

[nZtiZia]

i understand mounting the same tires all around despite the wider rear wheels, but you won't be able to rotate the them because those 10.5" wheels can't be installed in the front despite having the narrower winter tire.

narrower tires are better for snow/ice traction, but if you don't see yourself in those conditions (just getting winter tires for colder temps), then wider rear tires will fit better on existing wheels. the wider the tire, the higher chance for "floating" on the snow/ice.

you said "technically fit" meaning the 10.5" wheels won't stretch the narrower tires too much if you decide to go square?

[lely09]

Originally Posted by nZtiZia

i understand mounting the same tires all around despite the wider rear wheels, but you won't be able to rotate the them because those 10.5" wheels can't be installed in the front despite having the narrower winter tire.

narrower tires are better for snow/ice traction, but if you don't see yourself in those conditions (just getting winter tires for colder temps), then wider rear tires will fit better on existing wheels. you said "technically fit" meaning the 10.5" wheels won't stretch the narrower tires too much if you decide to go square?

I'm in Minnesota so we get cold/snow/ice. But, since putting on an actual winter tire and not an all-season I feel like its a solid option no matter what.

When i say fit, meaning the tire sire for the fronts fits the rears. Are you saying those can't be rotated? Not the wheel, but the physical tire?

[nZtiZia]

Originally Posted by lely09

When i say fit, meaning the tire sire for the fronts fits the rears. Are you saying those can't be rotated? Not the wheel, but the physical tire?

the offsets for the rear wheels may pose clearance issues if rotated to the front. The best way to negate that is to get a square setup of wheels and tires all around, which means buying an extra pair of front-spec wheels to be installed in the rear.

[lely09]

If I buy a square setup and 1 season the tires are in the back snd the next season in the front does that work? Tires not wheels, I understand rear wheels can't go in the front.

[nZtiZia]

Originally Posted by lely09

If I buy a square setup and 1 season the tires are in the back snd the next season in the front does that work? Tires not wheels, I understand rear wheels can't go in the front.

so you'll swap the tires that were on the rear wheels onto the front wheels? yeah, that's fine cuz you're rotating the tires instead of the whole tire/wheel setup. seems an inconvenience to some, which is why they would rather get a square setup all around (wheels and tires).

[njnets21]

Originally Posted by nZtiZia

i understand mounting the same tires all around despite the wider rear wheels, but you won't be able to rotate the them because those 10.5" wheels can't be installed in the front despite having the narrower winter tire.

narrower tires are better for snow/ice traction, but if you don't see yourself in those conditions (just getting winter tires for colder temps), then wider rear tires will fit better on existing wheels. the wider the tire, the higher chance for "floating" on the snow/ice.

you said "technically fit" meaning the 10.5" wheels won't stretch the narrower tires too much if you decide to go square?

He's not putting 10.5" wheels in the front. He's saying he bought four of the 9.5" (front) rims so it's set up just like squared 20s would be, but they're 22. I'm debating doing this myself.

[nZtiZia]

Originally Posted by njnets21

He's not putting 10.5" wheels in the front. He's saying he bought four of the 9.5" (front) rims so it's set up just like squared 20s would be, but they're 22. I'm debating doing this myself.

in his first post, he sad, "…should I get the wider 315s in the back like the summer set?" to me that sounds like he's got different width wheels between front and back (staggered). none of his other posts stated he has/purchased the same sized (front) wheels all around. (It was Husker who said he has 22x9" wheels all around.) when the OP asked if he were to buy a "square setup," he's referring to tires, not wheels. also, he's never corrected me when I mentioned 10.5" wide rear wheels more than once.

further, in his first post he specifically said "wider rim," so why would he distinguish the front tires "technically fit" the rear wheels if all the wheels were the same width as you say? the narrower front tires would just fit IF all the wheels were the same. he wouldn't point out the difference in the wheels if there were none.

the OP wants to know if he can mount the same sized (front) winter tires on his staggered wheels. that's why all those questions on the bottom of his first post. "will they look goofy?" he was also wondering if he could rotate the tires to which I replied he couldn't because of how wide the rear wheels are despite mounting winter tires that are meant for the front wheels.

[njnets21]

Originally Posted by nZtiZia

in his first post, he sad, "…should I get the wider 315s in the back like the summer set?" to me that sounds like he's got different width wheels between front and back (staggered). none of his other posts stated he has/purchased the same sized (front) wheels all around. (It was Husker who said he has 22x9" wheels all around.) when the OP asked if he were to buy a "square setup," he's referring to tires, not wheels. also, he's never corrected me when I mentioned 10.5" wide rear wheels more than once.

further, in his first post he specifically said "wider rim," so why would he distinguish the front tires "technically fit" the rear wheels if all the wheels were the same width as you say? the narrower front tires would just fit IF all the wheels were the same. he wouldn't point out the difference in the wheels if there were none.

the OP wants to know if he can mount the same sized (front) winter tires on his staggered wheels. that's why all those questions on the bottom of his first post. "will they look goofy?" he was also wondering if he could rotate the tires to which I replied he couldn't because of how wide the rear wheels are despite mounting winter tires that are meant for the front wheels.

My bad I was talking about Husker. I really want to see some photos of what it looks like when someone puts 275s on 9.5 rims all around. Considering doing that to use Michelin AS4 instead of waiting for staggered Pirelli AS to come back.

[gqgambler]

Originally Posted by HuskerNSC

I have the 22" 742M's squared up. I have the 9" wide rims all the way around. I did this with all seasons (live in South Carolina).

Benefits I see.

- Keep the looks of the 22"
- Opens up more tire options (I run the Michelin Pilot Sport All Season Plus 4).
- Tire Rotation

Downsides.
- Back doesn't look quite as aggressive from behind, but not horrible.

Does your state inspection care about tires?
This likely won't fly in states that care about inspections if your car came with 22" because door jam would have 22" staggered sizes listed and your square set-up would be below spec in the rear. All depends on how your state inspection is done. In PA this wouldn't fly (although you could find a place to pass you) as liability issue for the places that passes you.

[Afjeld]

Originally Posted by lely09

I know this is highly contested, but I want the car looking sweet all year long. Since I'm putting 22" Scorpion Winters on, I think it's already accomplishing the "goal" of having the right tire for the right season.

My question is should I go square or should I get the wider 315's in the back like the summer set? Is the squared route only better because you can rotate the tires? Is it because they are a bit less wide so technically a better winter tire? Does anyone know if the square setup looks goofy on the wider rim, even though it technically fits?

I've this set up with 9,5/10,5J x 22 with PSW 275/35 R 22 front/rear.

[yeetyeet]

Would I need to get a wider wheel vs 9.5 stock to put the 305/315 size tires on the rear? I have a 2021 F150 with 20x12 with 33x12.5 tires and -44 offset. Getting an X5 I am not too familiar with perfect offset to fenders haha.

[nZtiZia]

Originally Posted by yeetyeet

Would I need to get a wider wheel vs 9.5 stock to put the 305/315 size tires on the rear? I have a 2021 F150 with 20x12 with 33x12.5 tires and -44 offset. Getting an X5 I am not too familiar with perfect offset to fenders haha.

i believe 305 tires fit 10 - 12" wheel widths. 315 tires would need an even slightly wider wheel (?10.5 - 12.5"?). can always double check the specs on the website as they may vary between brands/models

[yeetyeet]

Originally Posted by nZtiZia

i believe 305 tires fit 10-12" wheel widths. 315 tires would need an even slightly wider wheel. can always double check on the specs on the website as they may vary between brands/models

Awesome, thanks. First time driving a BMW when searching for a new vehicle for my wife. Sold at first turn, so now I want to really capitalize on the grip that it has.

[nZtiZia]

Originally Posted by yeetyeet

Sold at first turn[…]

my first bimmer as well. BMW's slogan "sheer driving pleasure" doesn't lie.

they take it seriously too! my vehicle has been at the dealer 1.5 months (and counting) due to a recall so I've had a 2-series loaner. i emailed that it hasn't nearly been the same 'driving pleasure' as my X5. the next day they called and said they've arranged for an X-series loaner swap. "the squeaky wheel gets the grease." lol

[yeetyeet]

Thats actually awesome!

[HuskerNSC]

Here are a couple pictures of my squared up 22's. Running Michelin Pilot Sport All Season 4 275/35-22 all the way around.

[njnets21]

Originally Posted by HuskerNSC

Here are a couple pictures of my squared up 22's. Running Michelin Pilot Sport All Season 4 275/35-22 all the way around.

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You said no spacers either right? I would assume visually the side profile looks the same as staggered and only difference is from the back or do you think you can tell a difference from staggered because 315s would stick out of the fender more?

Thanks for the photos.

[HuskerNSC]

Side profile looks the same (except I like the sidewall of the new tire better). The staggered rears did stick out a bit further. If it bothers me, I will add a small spacer later.

[njnets21]

Originally Posted by HuskerNSC

Side profile looks the same (except I like the sidewall of the new tire better). The staggered rears did stick out a bit further. If it bothers me, I will add a small spacer later.

Keep seeing common mentions that people prefer the Michelin sidewall. Any idea why? In photos the conti sidewall looks pretty nice but haven't seen any of these tires in person. Thanks again for the insights.

[gqgambler]

Originally Posted by HuskerNSC

Here are a couple pictures of my squared up 22's. Running Michelin Pilot Sport All Season 4 275/35-22 all the way around.

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I like. Too bad I just bought staggered 22 all-season tires.