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      05-16-2019, 09:02 AM   #45
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It guess it can be more efficient logistically to have every 50i being M-Sport/performance equipped and financially more profitable that every 50i is sold brings in $5k more from the start than a non M-Sport car. We’ll soon how it plays out. It’s just an interesting data point.
Now you really lost me. Your original position was that the M would be less than the current 50i, why are you now saying it would be $5k more than a non-M-Sport? Also the current 50i is going away, there will be no non M-Sport or M-Sport for that matter.
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      05-16-2019, 09:31 AM   #46
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This is going nowhere fast. Let's hope for the M50i announcement soon!
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      05-16-2019, 09:36 AM   #47
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If the X5 M50i follow the M550i and is priced $13k above the 40i x-drive version it will be priced at around $74k or ~$5k more than the current non M-Sport 50i version. So with the X5 50i no longer be on sale every X5 with the 50i motor will be an M performance car meaning that the entry level for a V8 equipped X5 will bring in $5k more to BMW than today’s entry level 50i.
I guess we will just have to wait and see. I highly doubt that your "logic" is correct but perhaps.
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      05-16-2019, 09:39 AM   #48
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Now you really lost me. Your original position was that the M would be less than the current 50i, why are you now saying it would be $5k more than a non-M-Sport? Also the current 50i is going away, there will be no non M-Sport or M-Sport for that matter.
I understand the confusion since I realized that a non M-Sport X5 50i is actually priced as an M550i currently which make it even more interesting to see where the M50i price will land. Will BMW make the entry level V8 X5 carry a $20k gap or more to the 40i? Probably, but not if it follows the 5 series pricing.
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      05-16-2019, 11:35 AM   #49
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I understand the confusion since I realized that a non M-Sport X5 50i is actually priced as an M550i currently which make it even more interesting to see where the M50i price will land. Will BMW make the entry level V8 X5 carry a $20k gap or more to the 40i? Probably, but not if it follows the 5 series pricing.
All of this is moot. The M550i still has the older V8 that's in the current X5 50i.
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All of this is moot. The M550i still has the older V8 that's in the current X5 50i.
Not necessarily, upgrades that replaces an existing engine can come with little to no price increase. Take the 2020 7 series for example the 750i get the new V8 while 740i get no engine upgrade. The price increase is $2700 on the 750i while the 740i get a $2800 increase. I.e the 750i with an upgraded engine get pretty much the same price increase from 2019 to 2020 as the 740i which has no engine upgrade.
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750 did not get any automatic package upgrades and is not an M performance car.

X5 is going to be an M performance car. So it will get M package and M brakes as a minimum. That is a $4K hike right out of the box.

Judging from M340 that got more M parts - same can be available for M50 x5. It might end up with M sport dif $1300 , some extra cooling and a stiffer suspension.

So i bet the base price for x5 M50 is at least 5K- 6K more vs the x5 50 model now. PLus x line is no longer available with the v8
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      05-16-2019, 01:01 PM   #52
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750 did not get any automatic package upgrades and is not an M performance car.

X5 is going to be an M performance car. So it will get M package and M brakes as a minimum. That is a $4K hike right out of the box.

Judging from M340 that got more M parts - same can be available for M50 x5. It might end up with M sport dif $1300 , some extra cooling and a stiffer suspension.

So i bet the base price for x5 M50 is at least 5K- 6K more vs the x5 50 model now. PLus x line is no longer available with the v8
The X5 M50i will likely be positioned and equipped very similar in the X5 lineup as the M550i in the 5 series lineup. There it carries a $15k premium over the 540i X-drive. The question is if that gap could be similar for the X5 or if as you guess it will be a $5k increase over the X5 50i M-Sport making the gap $25k to the X5 40i. A large span of possibilities. Bean counter math will decide not upgrades as such. Volume gains vs. unit profit etc.

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Not necessarily, upgrades that replaces an existing engine can come with little to no price increase. Take the 2020 7 series for example the 750i get the new V8 while 740i get no engine upgrade. The price increase is $2700 on the 750i while the 740i get a $2800 increase. I.e the 750i with an upgraded engine get pretty much the same price increase from 2019 to 2020 as the 740i which has no engine upgrade.
I'm saying your comparison is moot because (from what I'm making of your logic) you're trying to infer the price of a X5 M50i from the price difference between a 540 and a M550, the latter of which still has the old V8. Most people here are concerned with whether or not the newer and (significantly) higher output engine will carry an equally significant price premium. A better and more relevant comparison would be the percentage, not absolute, price difference between the European spec. 840i and the M850i.

I don't disagree however that the M50i won't carry a significant premium over the M Sport 50i xDrive since both will essentially occupy the same spots on the X5 hierarchy.
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I'm saying your comparison is moot because (from what I'm making of your logic) you're trying to infer the price of a X5 M50i from the price difference between a 540 and a M550, the latter of which still has the old V8. Most people here are concerned with whether or not the newer and (significantly) higher output engine will carry an equally significant price premium. A better and more relevant comparison would be the percentage, not absolute, price difference between the European spec. 840i and the M850i.

I don't disagree however that the M50i won't carry a significant premium over the M Sport 50i xDrive since both will essentially occupy the same spots on the X5 hierarchy.
And I argued, not necessarily since an engine upgrade that replaces an existing engine can come with no price increase as seen with the 2020 7 series as an example. The 2019 to 2020 750 increase is the same as for the 2020 740i that has no engine upgrade. It’s just a new 7 series generic price increase no additional charge for the V8 upgrade.
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And I argued, not necessarily since an engine upgrade that replaces an existing engine can come with no price increase as seen with the 2020 7 series as an example. The 2019 to 2020 750 increase is the same as for the 2020 740i that has no engine upgrade. It’s just a new 7 series generic price increase no additional charge for the V8 upgrade.
Then what was the point of making the roundabout 5 series comparison? You could've just said that the M50i is just an equal-tiered engine upgrade of the current M-Sport xDrive50i and therefore will be priced similarly.
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Then what was the point of making the roundabout 5 series comparison? You could've just said that the M50i is just an equal-tiered engine upgrade of the current M-Sport xDrive50i and therefore will be priced similarly.
The roundabout 5 series comparison is due to that the 5 series already have the model structure with an M performance car as the only 50i model. And for the 5 series there is a much smaller premium to go from a 540i X-drive to the M550i than it is to from an X5 40i to the current X5 50i M-Sport.

Can this be indicative to that we could see this gap between the 40i model to a M sport/performance shrinking with the M50i to a similar gap as for the 5 series? I’m not saying it will but the comparison is intriguing.
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To get you even more excited:

850 already has that engine.

Go drive the 850 and decide for yourself. Video of it on the track

My wife just bought one...gets it on Saturday. It is a blast and she's coming from an M4. I have the 2018 F15 35d which has been great but I NEED the M50i now having driven her M850i. She is going to absolutely crush me !!!
I can't get the 50i because I need at least the TU3 engine to have a hope of just slowly falling behind her on the freeway. HAHA
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My wife just bought one...gets it on Saturday. It is a blast and she's coming from an M4. I have the 2018 F15 35d which has been great but I NEED the M50i now having driven her M850i. She is going to absolutely crush me !!!
I can't get the 50i because I need at least the TU3 engine to have a hope of just slowly falling behind her on the freeway. HAHA
Wow- we need pictures of that/ M850 is seriously fun car. You might need x5 M to keep up withe that.

Good thing they should come out at the same time - August/Sep 2109 so 3 more months

which one to get 523 HP, 625 HP - that is the question
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Hey I am just ready to see the M50i ordering guide. Hopefully there will be some new color option as well for 2020. Bring on those 553 lbs of torque!
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Hey I am just ready to see the M50i ordering guide. Hopefully there will be some new color option as well for 2020. Bring on those 553 lbs of torque!
I am more than ready....bring it on already
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I am more than ready....bring it on already
I guess the speculation is over - Great Job BMW>
M dif and M brakes standard

I want one
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Wow- we need pictures of that/ M850 is seriously fun car. You might need x5 M to keep up withe that.

Good thing they should come out at the same time - August/Sep 2109 so 3 more months

which one to get 523 HP, 625 HP - that is the question
Apologies for not posting quicker. The blue is fantastic and the performance has convinced me that I need the M50i, even if I have to sell my body. The 2018 35d in the background is my ride that will get flipped.
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Apologies for not posting quicker. The blue is fantastic and the performance has convinced me that I need the M50i, even if I have to sell my body. The 2018 35d in the background is my ride that will get flipped.
What color blue is that?
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My wife would say I'm not allow to tell you She's loving the head turns and attention right now.

Its Sonic Speed Blue
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Then what was the point of making the roundabout 5 series comparison? You could've just said that the M50i is just an equal-tiered engine upgrade of the current M-Sport xDrive50i and therefore will be priced similarly.
The roundabout 5 series comparison is due to that the 5 series already have the model structure with an M performance car as the only 50i model. And for the 5 series there is a much smaller premium to go from a 540i X-drive to the M550i than it is to from an X5 40i to the current X5 50i M-Sport.

Can this be indicative to that we could see this gap between the 40i model to a M sport/performance shrinking with the M50i to a similar gap as for the 5 series? I'm not saying it will but the comparison is intriguing.
Does anyone have updates on the X5 V8 options.
Are they still getting rid of the 50i and replacing with M50i?
Or will they keep both options?
Do we know when they will accept orders for the 2020 model
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Does anyone have updates on the X5 V8 options.
Are they still getting rid of the 50i and replacing with M50i?
Or will they keep both options?
Do we know when they will accept orders for the 2020 model
The 50i will still be available. The order guide is posted in the sticky if you need more info. Seems like most dealers are now taking orders for 2020.
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