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      01-29-2020, 10:09 PM   #23
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You know comments like these always make me laugh, and by far show very immature thinking.

The one thing Asian car companies do really well is copy, iterate, update, and they continue this cycle until they hit the mark, especially in quality.

My own personal experience of quality is that I am on my 2nd G05, because the first had to go back as it was a complete "lemon". It doesn't take too much reading on this forum to uncover the level of quality of the G05. So from my perspective BMW is quickly losing its reputation in the quality stakes as far as I'm concerned.


As far as straight line speed is concerned, "In god I trust, all others post Youtube videos".
Its interesting someone can still be in the same ball-park as far as straight line speed performance is concerned and only pay 30% of what you're paying. But that's OK, the depreciation hit you take will take care of that.
All due respect, I have owned more luxury cars (Porsche, Audi, Ferrari, MB, RR, BMW) over 30 years as well as club raced 911’s for 10 of them. I have also won several PCA concourse awards as well as being a PCA judge.
I can assure you I am very qualified to give a educated opinion on the subject of luxury vehicles.

I am sorry to hear your experience hasn’t been good with BMW but over the years you will learn anything can fail at any price point. Hang in there.

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Interesting thread, not many BMW owners Here taking the bite, maybe they will steal more sales from Lexus, Acura etc than the Germans. We will see.
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You know comments like these always make me laugh, and by far show very immature thinking.

The one thing Asian car companies do really well is copy, iterate, update, and they continue this cycle until they hit the mark, especially in quality.

My own personal experience of quality is that I am on my 2nd G05, because the first had to go back as it was a complete "lemon". It doesn't take too much reading on this forum to uncover the level of quality of the G05. So from my perspective BMW is quickly losing its reputation in the quality stakes as far as I'm concerned.


As far as straight line speed is concerned, "In god I trust, all others post Youtube videos".
Its interesting someone can still be in the same ball-park as far as straight line speed performance is concerned and only pay 30% of what you're paying. But that's OK, the depreciation hit you take will take care of that.
All due respect, I have owned more luxury cars (Porsche, Audi, Ferrari, MB, RR, BMW) over 30 years as well as club raced 911's for 10 of them. I have also won several PCA concourse awards as well as being a PCA judge.
I can assure you I am very qualified to give a educated opinion on the subject of luxury vehicles.

I am sorry to hear your experience hasn't been good with BMW but over the years you will learn anything can fail at any price point. Hang in there.
Again, agreed. I don't think anyone who loves driving or cares about luxury is cross shopping an M3 and a stinger. IMO this post is similar to going on a Ferrari forum and asking if anyone is cross shopping an Alfa 4C and a Ferrari 488. (Ok not quite as bad) If they are, they probably shouldn't have been looking at the Ferrari (or in this case BMW) to begin with.
I don't care how great their reliability and options may be, when it comes to driving dynamics and luxury, if that's important, you're not choosing a Hyundai over BMW, Mercedes, Porsche, Bentley, etc or putting them into your spreadsheet anytime soon.
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      01-30-2020, 12:17 AM   #26
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In my opinion both car caters to different market segments. Genesis is more towards being a chauffeured car and would cater the needs for car rental and hiring companies. That's what Genesis sedan is mostly used. BMW is for people who love to drive.
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I don't care how great their reliability and options may be, when it comes to driving dynamics and luxury, if that's important, you're not choosing a Hyundai over BMW, Mercedes, Porsche, Bentley, etc or putting them into your spreadsheet anytime soon.
It depends on the vehicle, you would be hard-pressed to find an unbiased review that considers the 3-series to be a better performer than the G70.

As far as the GV80 goes, it will likely be nowhere close to being in the same league as the X5 in regards to driving or luxury.
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      01-30-2020, 08:52 AM   #28
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It depends on the vehicle, you would be hard-pressed to find an unbiased review that considers the 3-series to be a better performer than the G70.

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You mean like this one?

https://g20.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1689039

that is 330 besting it in every category. M 340 will wipe the floor with most of the cars today if handling and driving dynamics are important to you.
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      01-30-2020, 09:04 AM   #29
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You mean like this one?

https://g20.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1689039

that is 330 besting it in every category. M 340 will wipe the floor with most of the cars today if handling and driving dynamics are important to you.
I have no clue whether C/D or that review is unbiased, although it appears not to be, or not but it could be correct. It would definitely be different than what I have heard and read.
I'm not a Genesis fanboy by any means or know much about sedans but do know that the G70 won tons of awards and a big reason for that was the handling of the vehicle.

Edit: I have been doing a little searching and reading and I am finding more reviews/comparisons between the G20 and the G70 that have the 3 series coming on top. It seems like my initial impression was based on the comparisons from last year that were done before the G20 came out.

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Time will tell but look at what Lexus accomplished, still #1 in reliability but their styling sucks.
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I had to laugh when I read this article that came out today ....

https://www.news.com.au/technology/i...a8859a12e1a854

Especially this one ...
“I had noticed that the ones most likely to run a red light, not give way to pedestrians and generally drive recklessly and too fast were often the ones driving fast German cars,” he said.

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I had to laugh when I read this article that came out today ....

https://www.news.com.au/technology/i...a8859a12e1a854

Especially this one ...
“I had noticed that the ones most likely to run a red light, not give way to pedestrians and generally drive recklessly and too fast were often the ones driving fast German cars,” he said.


I think we have all run into those in group one and hope we are in group two.
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      01-30-2020, 04:42 PM   #33
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I think we have all run into those in group one and hope we are in group two.
I agree.

Except when people drive below the speed limit in the overtaking lane on highways
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      01-30-2020, 04:46 PM   #34
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I had to laugh when I read this article that came out today ....

https://www.news.com.au/technology/i...a8859a12e1a854

Especially this one ...
“I had noticed that the ones most likely to run a red light, not give way to pedestrians and generally drive recklessly and too fast were often the ones driving fast German cars,” he said.

Lol. I hope that I fall more into this group, and a little less of the "jerk" one.


"The team discovered a second type of person was attracted to high-end cars – conscientious men and women often described as respectable, ambitious, reliable and well-organised."


I would assume anyone who is a real enthusiast about what they drive (regardless the brand) has a bit of a feeling of theirs being better than others for a variety of reasons. Hopefully without the superiority complex.
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That article isn’t about luxury cars or owners but a shaming from a socialist liberal ideology. Look at the ending tag and it says it all.

“It would be great if consumers had other, sustainable ways of showing their status rather than the superficial consumption of luxury goods that often has negative consequences.
“We are already seeing that driving an electric car is becoming something of a status symbol, whereas SUVs with their high emissions are no longer considered as cool.”


Give me a break.

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I had to laugh when I read this article that came out today ....

https://www.news.com.au/technology/i...a8859a12e1a854

Especially this one ...
“I had noticed that the ones most likely to run a red light, not give way to pedestrians and generally drive recklessly and too fast were often the ones driving fast German cars,” he said.

I wonder sample size of 1900 is good enough to come to any conclusions!!!
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I would rather have the Genesis than an Acura, Infiniti or Lexus.
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I would rather have the Genesis than an Acura, Infiniti or Lexus.
Concerns about the dealers aside, I would agree with you. They should be able to start establishing a decent position in the second tier luxury SUV segment with the GV80. They obviously will pull some people away from the top tier brands but also draw folks into the segment given that are offering a fairly feature-rich vehicle at a more affordable price.
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I would rather have the Genesis than an Acura, Infiniti or Lexus.
Funny. I agree with you but It totally defies logic.
Honda, Toyota or Nissan are much better cars vs Hyndai. I will take accord or maxima over any Hyundai.

But add luxury goodies to them and they become stagnant/old people image brands. there is nothing exciting about Lexus, Acura or infinity , even though cars are decent. MDX is great car, but boring as heck.

So i guess marketing works wonders on Genesis. Young brand in the beginning, trying really hard and getting great image.
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Funny. I agree with you but It totally defies logic.
Honda, Toyota or Nissan are much better cars vs Hyndai. I will take accord or maxima over any Hyundai.

But add luxury goodies to them and they become stagnant/old people image brands. there is nothing exciting about Lexus, Acura or infinity , even though cars are decent. MDX is great car, but boring as heck.

So i guess marketing works wonders on Genesis. Young brand in the beginning, trying really hard and getting great image.
In my case I can't shake the feeling that driving a Genesis is just driving a spruced up Hyundai. And to your point, Honda, Toyota and Nissan make better cars than Hyundai.

So I'm actually ok driving an Acura, Lexus, or Infiniti over a Genesis, even though the Genesis is the better car.

How's that for defying logic
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More than likely, if we were using logic to make our vehicle purchasing decisions we wouldn't have BMW's, Audis, MB's, etc. We would all be driving Hondas, Toyotas, Fords, etc.
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Time will tell but look at what Lexus accomplished, still #1 in reliability but their styling sucks.
This. I really, really wanted to love the RX350 F-Sport with F Performance package. Would've cost me like $100/month less than my G05 and I kind of liked the idea of something a little smaller. I liked the Lexus, even acquired a taste for the styling, but didn't love it. Underpowered and a bit cramped in the driver seat. But was keeping an open mind. Then I drove the X5.......... end of story.
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My wife is on her 3rd RX and wants a newer one but can't get by the front end.
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GV80 is on a new platform for Genesis, rear-wheel drive based. It is not on the same platform as the Palisade/Telluride. GV80 has a new turbo V6 with a guesstimate around 400hp.

The Telluride/Palisade are killing it right now, Hyundai ran right by the other mainstream SUV makers. Can they do the same with luxury cars? I doubt it but for a different reason. Dealers.

I have not seen many Genesis dealers yet. Most are tucked in the back of crappy Hyundai dealers. They need to step it up several notches.

Alex on Autos has a brief review out there for the GV80. Just a look for now and the million dollars question is now it drives.
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