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      03-05-2020, 12:47 PM   #1
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X5 refresh

Hi. Does anyone have any information on when the next X5 refresh will come? I have heard some mention of April. I’m about to order and wondering if I should wait.
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It won’t be for awhile. All brand new last year.
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      03-05-2020, 01:18 PM   #3
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Refresh is probably a few years off. Are you maybe referring to the leather color options that will be coming back in April?
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Refresh is probably a few years off. Are you maybe referring to the leather color options that will be coming back in April?
Potentially. Any information on that?

My dealer just confirmed I can order Cognac in the basic leather. He is checking on Tartufo.
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Potentially. Any information on that?

My dealer just confirmed I can order Cognac in the basic leather. He is checking on Tartufo.
Yes, Canberra and Tartufo will be available starting in April.
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AFAIK, BMW is still working on a 7 year model cycle with the LCI ('refresh') at around 3.5 years. Don't expect any sort of refresh after 18 months from new model launch.
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AFAIK, BMW is still working on a 7 year model cycle with the LCI ('refresh') at around 3.5 years. Don't expect any sort of refresh after 18 months from new model launch.
Not even 18 months. Launch December 2018 so barely 15 months in. Wouldn't expect an LCI before summer 2022
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Potentially. Any information on that?

My dealer just confirmed I can order Cognac in the basic leather. He is checking on Tartufo.
Just check out the sticky thread relating to Ordering/Pricing Guides in the Pricing, Ordering, Tracking Forum. That's where everyone posts updated Ordering/Pricing details!

Here's direct links to the current versions of the Guides:
- Ordering Guide: https://batxcr1.bmwcenternet.com/lib...eringGuide.pdf
- Pricing Guide: https://batxcr1.bmwcenternet.com/lib...ide_Retail.pdf

And I agree with everyone else...you won't see anything beyond subtle changes in leather, paints, interior trims, maybe rims, etc., until the LCI or a full new model. Given we're just 18 months in on the G05, it's likely at least 2021/2022 for an LCI or they could do like they did when they shifted from the F15/F16 to the G05/G06 and just do 5 years without an LCI and then do a full revision. It's anybody's guess...

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Yes, Canberra and Tartufo will be available starting in April.
I found the update ordering guide. Was wanting Tartufo. I’m thrilled that it’s an option again.
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It makes sense there wont be a new model for another 5-6 years, as they seems to work on a ~7 year cycle for their models.

There was quite a bit of media coverage when they short-cycled the last F15 model - which only went from 2103 to 2018 (~5 years)., and those media reports we're stating around 7 years as the standard model lifecycle.

HOWEVER, what I do notice about BMW is they do update their base features, and options list, AND refresh a few features like leather color, external body color (..etc) around every 2-3 years.
Eg.. they may introduce Assisted Driving View (ADV), Driver Assist Package (DAP), Laser lights as "Standard" equipment across all models, usually to keep the momentum going on sales.

For one, many people having been complaining about not having access to a light metallic silver external color. For the life of me, I don't know WHY (???) BMW wouldn't have that since its such a common and popular prestige color - so that might get introduced soon. I would've gone for that color if it were available...

With these little tweaks, they also usually play with pricing $$$$.
(eg. increase the price by 0.5% to account for new "standard" features, and adjust according to competition)
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It makes sense there wont be a new model for another 5-6 years, as they seems to work on a ~7 year cycle for their models.

There was quite a bit of media coverage when they short-cycled the last F15 model - which only went from 2103 to 2018 (~5 years)., and those media reports we're stating around 7 years as the standard model lifecycle.

HOWEVER, what I do notice about BMW is they do update their base features, and options list, AND refresh a few features like leather color, external body color (..etc) around every 2-3 years.
Eg.. they may introduce Assisted Driving View (ADV), Driver Assist Package (DAP), Laser lights as "Standard" equipment across all models, usually to keep the momentum going on sales.

For one, many people having been complaining about not having access to a light metallic silver external color. For the life of me, I don't know WHY (???) BMW wouldn't have that since its such a common and popular prestige color - so that might get introduced soon. I would've gone for that color if it were available...

With these little tweaks, they also usually play with pricing $$$$.
(eg. increase the price by 0.5% to account for new "standard" features, and adjust according to competition)
First off, I too remember a lot of "noise" when BMW shorted the F15/F16 cycle. Lots of "Is this the new norm?" sorts of things. While it's simply opinion/speculation on my part, I think there's a decent chance the 5 year cycle had a lot to do with their desire to get the X5/X6 onto the CLAR architecture. They'd planned the X7 on this in the same timeframe and since all of the X7's, X5's, and X6's are built in Spartanburg, there was value on the manufacturing side to get all of them onto the CLAR architecture...It's quite possible I read this somewhere...This is a good article on it: https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...rive50i-drive/.
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First off, I too remember a lot of "noise" when BMW shorted the F15/F16 cycle. Lots of "Is this the new norm?" sorts of things. While it's simply opinion/speculation on my part, I think there's a decent chance the 5 year cycle had a lot to do with their desire to get the X5/X6 onto the CLAR architecture. They'd planned the X7 on this in the same timeframe and since all of the X7's, X5's, and X6's are built in Spartanburg, there was value on the manufacturing side to get all of them onto the CLAR architecture...It's quite possible I read this somewhere...This is a good article on it: https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...rive50i-drive/.
It was also a chance to get ahead of MB's cycle for the GLE. Had BMW waited until 2020 (7-years) to switch to the G05, it would have ended up chasing the new MB GLE.

BMW got extra-lucky because MB also stuffed up their supply of the GLE in 2019, especially for their 400d and 450 - which I think put BMW ahead with their G05 X5 even more. Forget their GLE 300d - way too small engine for the GLE, bit like the 25d in the X5 which is the lowest seller.

So a good Strategy overall, even if it did piss off a few people by short-cycling the F15.

Will it become the norm? ..according to BMW they've been quoted as maintaining the 7-year model cycle. Only time will tell, and it depends what happens in the market, also with new engine options (like Hybrid, Hydrogen cell...etc), and what the competition does.

I think they will still continue the 2-3 year minor refresh/tweaks to keep the market interested, which means the G05 is due for one in the next 12 months.

For me, my 30d is the last conventional (Gas/Diesel) engine'd car I'll own. It should see me out for a good 10 years to the end of the 2020s. My next car will be Hybrid/PHEV, Hydrogen fuel cell, Hydrogen, or Electric. I just need the RANGE (800km+) and TORQUE (600nm+) for towing and I'm good to go, so I hope you're listening BMW !

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Just check out the sticky thread relating to Ordering/Pricing Guides in the Pricing, Ordering, Tracking Forum. That's where everyone posts updated Ordering/Pricing details!

Here's direct links to the current versions of the Guides:
- Ordering Guide: https://batxcr1.bmwcenternet.com/lib...eringGuide.pdf
- Pricing Guide: https://batxcr1.bmwcenternet.com/lib...ide_Retail.pdf

And I agree with everyone else...you won't see anything beyond subtle changes in leather, paints, interior trims, maybe rims, etc., until the LCI or a full new model. Given we're just 18 months in on the G05, it's likely at least 2021/2022 for an LCI or they could do like they did when they shifted from the F15/F16 to the G05/G06 and just do 5 years without an LCI and then do a full revision. It's anybody's guess...

I confirmed all of this with the dealer today. The builds on the new leathers start April 1.

I have the same X5 as you do. I will be sad to see it go but I want the land keep and semi auto driving feature. That engine was amazing.
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Refresh? I'd be a happy to live long enough to see an OTA update. Maybe just one thing, like fix the way the car yanks over to the next lane in auto lane change like it's a new teenage driver.
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Refresh? I'd be a happy to live long enough to see an OTA update. Maybe just one thing, like fix the way the car yanks over to the next lane in auto lane change like it's a new teenage driver.
Are you perhaps running a very old version of iDrive7? There is no yanking at all when making an automatic lane change. We were just discussing how smoothly the system works.
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Are you perhaps running a very old version of iDrive7? There is no yanking at all when making an automatic lane change. We were just discussing how smoothly the system works.

Dealer updated to *.55 (iirc) a couple of months back. No change noticed from previous version.

I guess it may be subjective though. The vehicle "drives" over to the next lane, too purposefully, and much too quickly in my estimation. It's not smooth at all. If it was a human driving, you'd consider it to be a very badly executed maneuver.

I use it, but I've grown accustomed to applying back pressure on the steering wheel to counter the speed of the maneuver.

I can't see how BMW has let this stand. You'd never do such maneuvers on, say, the autobahn, at 120mph, where smooth lane changes are de rigueur.
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Dealer updated to *.55 (iirc) a couple of months back. No change noticed from previous version.

I guess it may be subjective though. The vehicle "drives" over to the next lane, too purposefully, and much too quickly in my estimation. It's not smooth at all. If it was a human driving, you'd consider it to be a very badly executed maneuver.

I use it, but I've grown accustomed to applying back pressure on the steering wheel to counter the speed of the maneuver.

I can't see how BMW has let this stand. You'd never do such maneuvers on, say, the autobahn, at 120mph, where smooth lane changes are de rigueur.
Then you would be current. You may want to have your dealer look at it since no one else has reported that as a problem as far as I know.
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Then you would be current. You may want to have your dealer look at it since no one else has reported that as a problem as far as I know.
I will, thanks.
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Then you would be current. You may want to have your dealer look at it since no one else has reported that as a problem as far as I know.
I would also say it's a bit too fast, and I very recently read some others comment about the same. I would not call it 'bad' but it definitely looks like 'sporty' driving to other drivers. In the winter, when there is potentially black ice on the road, it is dangerously fast and thus unusable for me.
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I would also say it's a bit too fast, and I very recently read some others comment about the same. I would not call it 'bad' but it definitely looks like 'sporty' driving to other drivers. In the winter, when there is potentially black ice on the road, it is dangerously fast and thus unusable for me.
Okay thanks. I must have missed those posts. We have been talking about the ALC in another thread and read an old thread about it and didn't see any like that. Actually originally people said it was done too slow and then that was changed in an 07/2019.xx update so it goes quicker, at least from the time the turn signal is hit.
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Okay thanks. I must have missed those posts. We have been talking about the ALC in another thread and read an old thread about it and didn't see any like that. Actually originally people said it was done too slow and then that was changed in an 07/2019.xx update so it goes quicker, at least from the time the turn signal is hit.
Right, I think there are different expectations and different 'normal' speeds in various countries and locations. I've only had 07/2019.59. It's not fast enough for passengers to get tossed around or even notice and fine on dry roads.

I found this recent post mention the speed (anyone notice search sucks ).
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Dealer updated to *.55 (iirc) a couple of months back. No change noticed from previous version.

I guess it may be subjective though. The vehicle "drives" over to the next lane, too purposefully, and much too quickly in my estimation. It's not smooth at all. If it was a human driving, you'd consider it to be a very badly executed maneuver.

I use it, but I've grown accustomed to applying back pressure on the steering wheel to counter the speed of the maneuver.

I can't see how BMW has let this stand. You'd never do such maneuvers on, say, the autobahn, at 120mph, where smooth lane changes are de rigueur.
Would this be similar?
https://g05.bimmerpost.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1559384
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