11-26-2023, 01:35 PM | #1 |
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Thoughts on M60i vs M50i (exhaust and A.S.S)
Cross posting this on the X5 forum.... same applies to X5 so I assume its relevant here too!
So, I have an M50i X5.... so am familiar with the M50i environment. My mom has an M50i X7. She just got a new M60i X7 and my fiance is buying her M50i X7. We were there for thanksgiving and I was checking out her new M60i and comparing it to the M50i side by side before we take it home. Knowing the M50i through my X5 and reading all of the comments about the ASS annoyance and some saying the exhaust note is way less aggressive. A couple of thoughts: The exhaust doesn't even sound like V8 It sounds more like the B58 or V6 in my opinion - so disappointing The ASS is annoying as SHHHHHIIIITTTTTTT Even though its annoying, it is fairly smooth in the transitions It makes me think that BMW prioritized the 48 volt system, ASS, etc and the exhaust was a victim in all of this. The M50i exhaust is very aggressive and if it was turning on and off constantly like the M60i does, I could see how that could be annoying as well. So, here is my theory.... prioritize the hybrid ASS on a V8 powered $130k SUV with ///M written all over it (even though its not a real M), market the new engine as an ///M engine and the exhaust still gets clipped as a result of all of this. All in the name of energy conservation. Makes sense, doesn't it? No, it does not. |
11-26-2023, 02:14 PM | #2 |
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^^^^^What exactly is in the name of energy conservation? An M60i is not a $130,000 vehicle.
The full boat X5M and M60i share the identical "M" engine. The X5M has its own calibration that accounts for the power delta. Sounds like you should keep your M50i which is a great vehicle that I enjoyed for nearly 3 years. The M60i that I have driven now for over 4 months is phenomenal. Last edited by cobramite; 11-26-2023 at 02:21 PM.. |
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11-26-2023, 02:19 PM | #3 |
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Agreed the logic makes 0 sense.
Appreciate you confirming what others have been highlighting / not happy with. Personally - I’d be most upset about the ASS functionality as I fall into the minority of those who prefer these luxury SUVs moonlighting as performance SUVs to be quiet. The m50 is too loud for me, at least on start up, it’s not bad when driving. But If I wanted exhaust I’d get the full M. I like the sleepers and too many tin cans slapped onto anything that moves where I feel exhaust notes are often seen as unnecessary and annoying unless you have a true sports car. |
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Hybrid is 100% about energy conservation and the transition from fossil fuels.... as is all electric. not sure where you've been for the last 20 years. |
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I am seriously considering the non PHEV hybrid C8 Eray that can run mid 2s and mid 10s, fastest Corvette to date. Hybrids are cool and coming on strong in a good way and it really isn't all about "energy conservation". Where you been Dude. Last edited by cobramite; 11-26-2023 at 03:14 PM.. |
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I have about 5K miles on my M60i. Bought it for luxury, tech and performance. For me muted sound of exhaust and ASS are slightly annoying but not a deal breaker. And majority of people simply don't care about it at all. But if these two points are such a big deal then you simply shouldn't buy M60i - that's all.
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You will find that most M60i owners share the same feelings. Last edited by cobramite; 11-28-2023 at 07:17 AM.. |
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11-26-2023, 04:16 PM | #8 |
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M60 engine sounds like a nice upgrade. More efficient and better off the line tq. All while being quieter. Now I’m very tempted. This solves for everything I don’t like on the m50 lol.
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https://www.porschefortmyers.com/use...BH2AY0NDA59159 Cool vehicle. Last edited by cobramite; 11-26-2023 at 04:49 PM.. |
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11-26-2023, 06:09 PM | #11 |
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The 2020 X5M50i power is 523 horsepower and 553 pound-feet of torque @1800rpms. Curb Weight: 5260 lbs.
The 2023 X5M60i “ hybrid assist” is 530 horsepower and 553 pound-feet of torque @1800rpms. Weight 5335 lbs. The 2024 X5/X6M Competition “hybrid assist” is 617hp and 553 pound-feet of torque @1800rpms. Weight: 5,375lbs Here is where the BMW marketing machine is pumping Koolaid to the fanboys trying to read the tea leaves to feel more exclusive. As much as I love BMW, there has to be some real world honesty here. How does adding a “S” to an internal engine designation make it any more of a “real” M engine than the one it replaced with a “N”?? Neither of these engines are built outside the standard manufacturing process. Both have the same power output yet the latest has been modified to a hybrid for mpg only which is kind of a M insult considering what the new M5 hybrid is doing. It might be plausible to believe the “S” engine letter change stood for something different if the electric helper engine actually added an additional power performance in this application but it doesn’t and actually adds more weight and complexity to the power delivery system. This has been shown time and again by many forum members that when the electric engine in the ZF transmission has an issue, it bricks the entire vehicle. It’s obvious BMW likes to play in this “M” gray confused area what parameters equate to what a true “M car” is because it sells cars. Historically a M car was just a typical road car with some brake and handling upgrades and maybe we have come full circle. No letter be it “M” or “S” is sacred anymore for establishing any more exclusivity or prestige under the BMW marketing machine. For now, you need to have the word “Competition” or “CS” on the back to establish any real high performance meaning. These days may be numbered as well. Last edited by MystroX5; 11-27-2023 at 01:37 PM.. |
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11-26-2023, 06:32 PM | #12 |
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^^^^^Tuner baseline on the M60i is nearly 500 at the wheel and that is on 91 octane which translates to nearly 600 at the flywheel.
The S68 has been quite underrated as BMW commonly does and is no surprise. Anyone who has gone directly from an M50i to an M60i understands and is well aware of the power advantage in the LCI. Fanboy or not, real M vehicle or not. |
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BMW notoriously underrated the M50i as well. They have always sandbagged their power output. Same increased real world dyno numbers for the M50i being reported. Dyno numbers are a slippery slope as they vary between each dyno model. Aftermarket tunes for the M50i is putting out ridiculous increases and easier to tune at this point. My draggy numbers always beat the BMW spec. My old 2019 X5 50i M-Sport could do a 4 second flat 0-60mph and that was with a half a tank of gas in it @ 500ft above sea level. This was well reported when we all started draggy testing the G05. 20” wheels put down faster numbers than 22”ers as well. Launch control is also not always the fastest way to launch. The moral of the story is forget about the letter on the back or on the engine and go real word test the actual vehicle street performance. Most would be very happy with the numbers. It’s always funny to watch a non “M” full size luxo sedan 750i absolutely walk away from a M3 on the highway. Last edited by MystroX5; 11-26-2023 at 06:56 PM.. |
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"The electric motor generates an output boost of up to 12 hp and 147 lb-ft of torque, helping the engine to deliver a smooth, dynamic drive along with high efficiency." https://g05.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...74&postcount=1 "The electric motor delivers an extra 12 hp (9 kW) and 147 lb-ft (200 Nm)" https://www.bmwblog.com/2022/04/12/2...0i-s68-engine/
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The fact that BMW significantly underrates their engines for what ever reason is all very well known and not any kind of revelation at this point. Last edited by cobramite; 11-27-2023 at 07:10 AM.. |
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