[oldguy00]

I've had continued issues with my rotors warping. Dealership realized I have aftermarket rims (Art Replica 181), and have stated my rotors are warping because the rims aren't designed to dissipate the heat like stock BMW rims do.
Any truth to that??

[Car-Addicted]

Sounds like Male Bovine by product to me. Better to have gone with the uneven lug torque CYA. These arguments are tough to win. Good luck.

[oldguy00]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Sounds like Male Bovine by product to me. Better to have gone with the uneven lug torque CYA. These arguments are tough to win. Good luck.

I was actually thinking the same, lol. Would have been more plausible I think.
That said, I'm kind of stuck and will just give in and get some BMW wheels and resurface the rotors, and hope for the best. Was just wondering if anyone else had been told this...

[roamio]

Originally Posted by oldguy00

I've had continued issues with my rotors warping. Dealership realized I have aftermarket rims (Art Replica 181), and have stated my rotors are warping because the rims aren't designed to dissipate the heat like stock BMW rims do.
Any truth to that??

I think it's a complete BS. Why? Do they have scientific proof? No.

You can claim that your replicas dissipate heat better than OEMs.

[Tejas1836]

Who torqued the lugs?

[oldguy00]

Originally Posted by Tejas1836

Who torqued the lugs?

Mobile service, not the dealer, so possible it could have been done wrong.

[Tejas1836]

Originally Posted by oldguy00

Mobile service, not the dealer, so possible it could have been done wrong.

I always retorque the lugs myself after wheel has been removed. I've had some that were way way over torqued.

[mmm50i]

I had the exact same experience with the ART 181 Replica wheels.

I'm on the west coast and ordered them from a dealer from Ontario when I first purchased my car. I rode on the wheels for about 4 months before I started to feel a brake shudder when braking at highway speeds.

At first, BMW claimed it was the wheels, which I thought was ridiculous. I've had tons of aftermarket wheels before, never have I had this happen. However, when they asked me to come down to the shop, they showed me the damage to my rotor hats. There were little grooves/indents caused by the mounting surface of the wheels. I was upset, my car was only 5 months old at the time and I had about 5000km on it. Since it was caused by me, I paid for 4 new rotors out of my own pocket, because it wasn't covered under warranty.

After that experience, I purchased the 748M winter wheelset directly from BMW.

Can you take a pic of the rear of your wheel for me, specifically the mounting surface? I want to see if looked like mine.

[oldguy00]

Originally Posted by mmm50i

I had the exact same experience with the ART 181 Replica wheels.

I'm on the west coast and ordered them from a dealer from Ontario when I first purchased my car. I rode on the wheels for about 4 months before I started to feel a brake shudder when braking at highway speeds.

At first, BMW claimed it was the wheels, which I thought was ridiculous. I've had tons of aftermarket wheels before, never have I had this happen. However, when they asked me to come down to the shop, they showed me the damage to my rotor hats. There were little grooves/indents caused by the mounting surface of the wheels. I was upset, my car was only 5 months old at the time and I had about 5000km on it. Since it was caused by me, I paid for 4 new rotors out of my own pocket, because it wasn't covered under warranty.

After that experience, I purchased the 748M winter wheelset directly from BMW.

Can you take a pic of the rear of your wheel for me, specifically the mounting surface? I want to see if looked like mine.

Thanks, this is good to know. My wheels are still on the car right now, but I think I am going to buy a 19" winter wheel package from them - 19" V-Spoke 735. They are $4600 Cad with tax. I was tempted to get 20's like you, but the quote was like $6500 with tax, don't feel like spending that now on top of what I've now wasted on the Art Replicas.

Pics - do you mean the back inside of the wheel itself, or do you mean the hub surface on the car?

[oldguy00]

BTW, I should clarify.....I've had this issue twice now, first time was a year ago, and we eventually replaced rotors and pads. Second time basically started about a month ago.
Meaning.....it happened each time the winter Art Replica wheels were put back on the car.......uggh..

[Tejas1836]

Is everyone using a torque wrench to torque their lugs?

[nZtiZia]

Originally Posted by Tejas1836

Is everyone using a torque wrench to torque their lugs?

I do

[X6ix GTA]

Originally Posted by oldguy00

I've had continued issues with my rotors warping. Dealership realized I have aftermarket rims (Art Replica 181), and have stated my rotors are warping because the rims aren't designed to dissipate the heat like stock BMW rims do.
Any truth to that??

Hard to believe wheels causing this issue but given 2 members including your self have experienced the same issue with the same Replica 181 wheels there must be truth to it.

For my winter set I have wheels from Replika, a Canadian manufacturer. Same price range as yours. Been using them for 2 winters with no issues.

Originally Posted by Tejas1836

Is everyone using a torque wrench to torque their lugs?

I do.

[oldguy00]

Originally Posted by X6ix GTA

Hard to believe wheels causing this issue but given 2 members including your self have experienced the same issue with the same Replica 181 wheels there must be truth to it.

For my winter set I have wheels from Replika, a Canadian manufacturer. Same price range as yours. Been using them for 2 winters with no issues.


I do.

I'm gonna be out enough money from the 181's and the damage to my brakes, that I don't want to chance it with another set of knock offs. Just got back from the dealer, getting the 19" 735's put on next week, and a set of rotors we machined last year when trouble shooting the same issue. I'm -hoping- the brake pads, which were put on new last winter, will be OK to use, that the warping of the rotors over the past month won't have damaged them.

[oldguy00]

Originally Posted by mmm50i

....I paid for 4 new rotors out of my own pocket, because it wasn't covered under warranty.

.....

Were you able to use the existing brake pads? Or did you have to replace those too?

[mmm50i]

Originally Posted by oldguy00

Were you able to use the existing brake pads? Or did you have to replace those too?

I was able to use the same brake pads.

Since my pads were very new and I noticed the issue very early, they said I wouldn’t need to replace them as well. It’s been 2 years since that experience, no issues.

[mmm50i]

Originally Posted by X6ix GTA

Hard to believe wheels causing this issue but given 2 members including your self have experienced the same issue with the same Replica 181 wheels there must be truth to it.

The issue was there was a very minor groove/lip on the mounting surface, on the backside of the wheel, it should be FLAT. I’m not sure if they corrected the issue on the current version of the wheels or if what the OP and I received were production errors. I never contacted the supplier as I doubted they would have compensated me.

Still curious if the OP can get a photo up of the mounting surface for us to see. I got rid of the wheels 2 years ago, gave them to a wheel repair shop, not sure if they worked on them or recycled the metal.

[oldguy00]

Originally Posted by mmm50i

The issue was there was a very minor groove/lip on the mounting surface, on the backside of the wheel, it should be FLAT. I’m not sure if they corrected the issue on the current version of the wheels or if what the OP and I received were production errors. I never contacted the supplier as I doubted they would have compensated me.

Still curious if the OP can get a photo up of the mounting surface for us to see. I got rid of the wheels 2 years ago, gave them to a wheel repair shop, not sure if they worked on them or recycled the metal.

I'm getting the BMW wheels put on next week. I'll take some pics then of the back side of the Art Replica's.

[X6ix GTA]

Originally Posted by mmm50i

The issue was there was a very minor groove/lip on the mounting surface, on the backside of the wheel, it should be FLAT. I’m not sure if they corrected the issue on the current version of the wheels or if what the OP and I received were production errors. I never contacted the supplier as I doubted they would have compensated me.

Still curious if the OP can get a photo up of the mounting surface for us to see. I got rid of the wheels 2 years ago, gave them to a wheel repair shop, not sure if they worked on them or recycled the metal.

Thanks for the explanation. This makes sense. I wasn't convinced by the lack of heat dissipation speculated by the dealership.

[mmm50i]

Originally Posted by oldguy00

I'm getting the BMW wheels put on next week. I'll take some pics then of the back side of the Art Replica's.

Good to hear. Hope you feel better finding out what I went through. Best of luck with the ride after this ordeal!

[oldguy00]

Originally Posted by mmm50i

The issue was there was a very minor groove/lip on the mounting surface, on the backside of the wheel, it should be FLAT. I’m not sure if they corrected the issue on the current version of the wheels or if what the OP and I received were production errors. I never contacted the supplier as I doubted they would have compensated me.

Still curious if the OP can get a photo up of the mounting surface for us to see. I got rid of the wheels 2 years ago, gave them to a wheel repair shop, not sure if they worked on them or recycled the metal.

Got new wheels yesterday. I originally had them put 19" silver wheels on, but when they rolled the car out, I really disliked them....a lot. I think the model was '735 Ferric Grey'. They looked very anemic on the X5 IMHO. Walked back in and asked them to please take them off and give me the 20's they had in stock, a set of black 20" 748 M wheels. Much nicer, and I'll get to use the tires from my aftermarket wheelset down the road.


OK, pics of the back side of the Art Replica's attached. I can see and feel a lip / raised ring, a little over a cm wide going around the outside of the mating surface. My finger shows the line marking the inside edge of the 'ring'. Odd that it goes through the bolt holes. So, I don't know if that lip was there when the wheels were new, or if the material is soft and the BMW hub somehow made it? I'm thinking it was there when new as if it were caused by the hub, it wouldn't be going through the bolt holes?

[oldguy00]

New wheels. Honestly stupid expensive, but they are nice and hopefully resolve my brake issues.