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      12-13-2019, 12:54 PM   #23
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Thank you for the prompt replies to my PMs and the excellent vendor support last night when I was doing the install.

So far, so good with the Racechip in my X5 40i. The additional power is what I was looking for. I will post additional feedback once I get more miles on the setup.

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Soooo... race chip warranty is void if engine is damaged in any type of racing.

But... race chip is only for racing - and is not for street use.

Both statements from their website.

V. Exclusions

1. The following types of damage shall be specifically excluded from this Warranty:
normal wear and tear of qualifying parts;
damage resulting from using the covered vehicle in any forms of racing, race-like driving events (including related types of driving for training purposes);

This product DOES NOT meet the emissions compliance requirements of the California Air Resources Board and Federal Environmental Protection Agency and is NOT legal for sale and use on public streets and highways. This product may only be used for racing vehicles that are used exclusively for competition in legally sanctioned closed-course racing events.
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Soooo... race chip warranty is void if engine is damaged in any type of racing.

But... race chip is only for racing - and is not for street use.

Both statements from their website.

V. Exclusions

1. The following types of damage shall be specifically excluded from this Warranty:
normal wear and tear of qualifying parts;
damage resulting from using the covered vehicle in any forms of racing, race-like driving events (including related types of driving for training purposes);

This product DOES NOT meet the emissions compliance requirements of the California Air Resources Board and Federal Environmental Protection Agency and is NOT legal for sale and use on public streets and highways. This product may only be used for racing vehicles that are used exclusively for competition in legally sanctioned closed-course racing events.
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1. The following types of damage shall be specifically excluded from this Warranty:
normal wear and tear of qualifying parts;
damage resulting from using the covered vehicle in any forms of racing, race-like driving events (including related types of driving for training purposes);
Yea.... there is no "engine warrantee".

There's always a risk with having an engine tuned. Stating that you have an "engine warrantee" and then writing items like this in the "small print", is quite frankly.... deceitful.

I don't know anything about this "product" - I've used JB4s on my last 2 BMWs. I knew the risks, and I accepted them.

But, it sounds to me like this phony "engine warrantee" is nothing but an attempt to improve sales over the competition, while leaving themselves a legal "back door" to avoid actually paying any claims.

That tells me all I need to know about the "company" itself.
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Seems like you guys are new in modding.

In general, when you mod your car, warranty is voided.
Others offer engine warranty by wording it differently to make you believe that your existing BMW warranty is still in-tact.
You need to read the details too.
It is also void your warranty, it just being replaced by their warranty.

Few horror stories about them, they will put you in the middle of the fight on whom going to pay the bill.
I just heard another one last week from my local customer.

While in this case, the last statement is for legal purpose since the CARB certification are still pending and it is a generic aftermarket performance label that many many manufacturers put out to protect themselves against the government.
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Seems like you guys are new in modding.

In general, when you mod your car, warranty is voided.
Others offer engine warranty by wording it differently to make you believe that your existing BMW warranty is still in-tact.
You need to read the details too.
It is also void your warranty, it just being replaced by their warranty.

Few horror stories about them, they will put you in the middle of the fight on whom going to pay the bill.
I just heard another one last week from my local customer.

While in this case, the last statement is for legal purpose since the CARB certification are still pending and it is a generic aftermarket performance label that many many manufacturers put out to protect themselves against the government.
I have a Dinan tune installed by my dealer on my wife's 35i. While yes, it could void the warranty, Dinan steps in if necessary. (horror stories not withstanding). But they don't have a Catch 22 in their warranty.
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I have a Dinan tune installed by my dealer on my wife's 35i. While yes, it could void the warranty, Dinan steps in if necessary. (horror stories not withstanding). But they don't have a Catch 22 in their warranty.
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I have been considering a RaceChip GTS Black for my X5 M50i, because why not! Torque is fun! I know the risks and would not do it counting on the warranty.

It seems they are a reputable company so I would not expect too much hassle, but the two conflicting statements made me laugh.
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I have been considering a RaceChip GTS Black for my X5 M50i, because why not! Torque is fun! I know the risks and would not do it counting on the warranty.

It seems they are a reputable company so I would not expect too much hassle, but the two conflicting statements made me laugh.
They are trying too hard to make everyone happy IMO.

I only can respond so much since I don't own them.

I only can offer the product.
I also sell Dinan. And I always tell them my honest opinion when they asked about which one to get between RaceChip, Dinan, and flash tune.
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Seems like you guys are new in modding.
In 25 years of building, hotrodding, restoring, and racing cars.....I have NEVER seen a company that offers a "warrantee" on engines, and then immediately follows that statement with a "backdoor" to avoid paying out that includes any sort of race, display, or street driving. This company has basically stated that they have a warrantee, and then in the next breath stated that under no circumstances will they actually honor it.
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Seems like you guys are new in modding.
In 25 years of building, hotrodding, restoring, and racing cars.....I have NEVER seen a company that offers a "warrantee" on engines, and then immediately follows that statement with a "backdoor" to avoid paying out that includes any sort of race, display, or street driving. This company has basically stated that they have a warrantee, and then in the next breath stated that under no circumstances will they actually honor it.
Really???
25 years and never seen that?
I have seen a few. Even in the past 10 years of my 30 years in this industry from modding my own car on my driveway to working for someone else to owning my own business.
There are race use products that have manufacturers warranty, but later said not to be used for racing or off-roading.

I missed the old days where when we want to mod our car, we don't care about warranty.
It is what it is.
Now warranty seems to be like a marketing word.

I bet you don't even read the whole small print when you are about to use your mobile phone or computer or electronic devices or softwares or services.
There are lawyers wordings that also protect themselves. But you will always click on agree anyway. Because by the time you finish reading it, a new version will be released and you'll have to go through the whole small print again.

In short, it is the same as BMW. The slogan, Ultimate Driving Machine. Built to be driven.
But guess what, your warranty is void if you drive it hard at a track. Not on competition, just track days.
And, you buys this M Competition, but your warrant will be voided if you use it for Competition.
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I have a Dinan tune installed by my dealer on my wife's 35i. While yes, it could void the warranty, Dinan steps in if necessary. (horror stories not withstanding). But they don't have a Catch 22 in their warranty.

Dinan absolutely has a caveat to racing or track type use as a clause to void your warranty. I fail to see a real issue here? Most companies out there don't have CARB approval yet due to California restrictions. nothing new there. obviously if you put your car on a track and race it, it can cause issues, over and above safety parameters set by a manufacturer or a company offering a warranty. - Don't see an issue with that either. its pretty easy to diagnose a car and determine how hard it was run and for how long and interpret those results and draw a conclusion.
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In 25 years of building, hotrodding, restoring, and racing cars.....I have NEVER seen a company that offers a "warrantee" on engines, and then immediately follows that statement with a "backdoor" to avoid paying out that includes any sort of race, display, or street driving. This company has basically stated that they have a warrantee, and then in the next breath stated that under no circumstances will they actually honor it.
well , this is pulled right from the DINAN website. specifically including what you mention in your post that you have never seen.
Exclusions to the Dinan Limited Warranty:

damage due to the failure to perform maintenance services at the specified intervals or in accordance with the instructions in the ownerís manual from the original vehicle manufacturer or Dinanís product instructions,damage attributable to negligence or abuse, improper installation, improper treatment or treatment contrary to the instructions in the ownerís manual from the original vehicle manufacturer or Dinanís product instructions, engine damage resulting from alteration of Dinanís original boost pressure, damage resulting from the use of improper or contaminated fuel, damage occurring through corrosion resulting from weak or improper coolant, damage to a Dinan component as a result of a collision or improper collision damage repairs, any vehicle operated in any competitive event or subjected to aggressive track conditions, custom-designed competition parts, damages resulting from loss of time, inconvenience or loss of the use of the vehicle, damage resulting from environmental influences, flood, accident, fire damage, or road salt corrosion, re-manufactured or refurbished products or components (these products are clearly identified as re-furbished and are warranted for the period specified for that particular product).


well if that isn't a TON of exclusions to have them find a way out of paying for a claim then I don't know what is!.. "any vehicle operated in any competitive event or subjected to aggressive track conditions"..Plus everything else.

And RaceChip is being singled out ? c'mon
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I also sell Dinan. And I always tell them my honest opinion when they asked about which one to get between RaceChip, Dinan, and flash tune.
So which of these do you prefer? And do you have any Dyno post results on the i40 of the before and after? Also, will it affect the every day driving/comfort mode? Is the exhaust flap left open all the time or only while in a certain mode or race? I'm not sure the wife will like the ride if comfort mode with the air suspension is no longer smooth. It'd be nice if the extra stiffness and ponies only kick in while in Sport mode.
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I also sell Dinan. And I always tell them my honest opinion when they asked about which one to get between RaceChip, Dinan, and flash tune.
So which of these do you prefer? And do you have any Dyno post results on the i40 of the before and after? Also, will it affect the every day driving/comfort mode? I'm not sure the wife will like the ride if comfort mode with the air suspension is no longer smooth. It'd be nice if the extra stiffness and ponies only kick in while in Sport mode.
This is my honest opinion. I know some of you may think that I say this because I am selling it.
But, to clear things up. I do sell Dinan and BM3.

My honest opinion, I would go with RaceChip.
Reasons are: It is made in Germany, Good dollar per hp, plug n play solution, and comes with engine warranty.

I don't hate flash tune. I do have flash tune on my Porsche, and I like it. But that is also because I can take care my own car when the warranty doesn't covers any damages. So, for you guys, it may not be the same.

Unfortunately, I don't have dyno for the specific car.
I did try to get dyno out of my G30 540i, the dyno shop where I went to, were not doing it correctly. The whole time they were talking crap about the product, instead of just doing what they were paid for.

But, you have 30 days satisfaction guarantee. So, if you don't like it. Just lmk, and I'll take it back.

Smoothness wise, you will love it. With the high speed processing power that it have, it eliminates the jerkiness that other popular piggy back brand known for.
And, if you get the one with the App, you can always turn it off without opening the hood, before your wife drives away.
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Sounds good, but I'd rather not be a guinea pig at that price. If I had some solid numbers and some customer reviews of this product specifically on the '19 X5 i40 I'd easily pull the trigger.
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Sounds good, but I'd rather not be a guinea pig at that price. If I had some solid numbers and some customer reviews of this product specifically on the '19 X5 i40 I'd easily pull the trigger.
You won't be a guinea pig.
This product has been tested by the manufacturer before released.
Unlike other product where they always release Beta version and uses the end user as the guinea pig.

I have sold a few of them for this platform and a lot on F15/F16 X5/X6, F85/F86 X5M/X6M, F90 M5, G30 5-series, and other BMW platform and other European and Japanese turbo/supercharged cars.
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Seems like you guys are new in modding.

In general, when you mod your car, warranty is voided.
Others offer engine warranty by wording it differently to make you believe that your existing BMW warranty is still in-tact.
You need to read the details too.
It is also void your warranty, it just being replaced by their warranty.

Few horror stories about them, they will put you in the middle of the fight on whom going to pay the bill.
I just heard another one last week from my local customer.

While in this case, the last statement is for legal purpose since the CARB certification are still pending and it is a generic aftermarket performance label that many many manufacturers put out to protect themselves against the government.
Your statement is not accurate. I had an issue with my Dinan stage 3 on my '16 235 about 20omths ago. There was ZERO finger pointing and my issue was very quickly addressed by Dinan. No complaints.

This RC warranty however...different story. It's also capped at $7,500USD. Believe the engine alone is north of $15,000USD.
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Your statement is not accurate. I had an issue with my Dinan stage 3 on my '16 235 about 20omths ago. There was ZERO finger pointing and my issue was very quickly addressed by Dinan. No complaints.

This RC warranty however...different story. It's also capped at $7,500USD. Believe the engine alone is north of $15,000USD.
I believe it. Hell, the BMW dealership down the road from me actually installs the Dinan tune, which is why I'm likely going that route since I cannot get any clear answers from anywhere else.
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Your statement is not accurate. I had an issue with my Dinan stage 3 on my '16 235 about 20omths ago. There was ZERO finger pointing and my issue was very quickly addressed by Dinan. No complaints.

This RC warranty however...different story. It's also capped at $7,500USD. Believe the engine alone is north of $15,000USD.
Well, unfortunate enough, this customer of mine is just forum lurker.
I wish I can have him to chime in.

He even having issue with the muffler and spring, where he is just tired of dealing with it and going to take them off and sell the car. And he said that he will not consider Dinan again.
He doesn't even want to sell his old parts, because he doesn't want it be a burden to someone else.

There is no use for me to make up a story, because I also sells Dinan products. I did sold him some of the Dinan parts, some he went through a BMW dealer that also Dinan's reseller.
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Your statement is not accurate. I had an issue with my Dinan stage 3 on my '16 235 about 20omths ago. There was ZERO finger pointing and my issue was very quickly addressed by Dinan. No complaints.

This RC warranty however...different story. It's also capped at $7,500USD. Believe the engine alone is north of $15,000USD.
I believe it. Hell, the BMW dealership down the road from me actually installs the Dinan tune, which is why I'm likely going that route since I cannot get any clear answers from anywhere else.
There may be a Dinan ECU flash coming vs piggyback try emailing them. I would definitely be down for a Dinan flash tune
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Your statement is not accurate. I had an issue with my Dinan stage 3 on my '16 235 about 20omths ago. There was ZERO finger pointing and my issue was very quickly addressed by Dinan. No complaints.

This RC warranty however...different story. It's also capped at $7,500USD. Believe the engine alone is north of $15,000USD.
Well, unfortunate enough, this customer of mine is just forum lurker.
I wish I can have him to chime in.

He even having issue with the muffler and spring, where he is just tired of dealing with it and going to take them off and sell the car. And he said that he will not consider Dinan again.
He doesn't even want to sell his old parts, because he doesn't want it be a burden to someone else.

There is no use for me to make up a story, because I also sells Dinan products. I did sold him some of the Dinan parts, some he went through a BMW dealer that also Dinan's reseller.
Two sides to every story
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