[jumpingpint]

Household income, before tax

[LexxM3]

I don't get out of bed for polls under $100M.

[jumpingpint]

The data looks interesting

[MystroX5]

Vulgar money talk again???




This is way OT for a car forum and will be moved there shortly.

[randybobandy]

Originally Posted by MystroX5

Vulgar money talk again???




This is way OT for a car forum and will be moved there shortly.

AMEN! Small rant, but I hate going through a thread that is talking about the latest software, but ends up talking about something completely unrelated. I am guilty of it, so I will try to be better! But I am too lazy to sift through nonsense to get to the point. Discussing money/income always bring some sort of awkwardness or animosity. Let's agree on this, we all make less than Jeff Bezos, so we all have that in common.

[LexxM3]

Originally Posted by randybobandy

AMEN! Small rant, but I hate going through a thread that is talking about the latest software, but ends up talking about something completely unrelated. I am guilty of it, so I will try to be better! But I am too lazy to sift through nonsense to get to the point. Discussing money/income always bring some sort of awkwardness or animosity. Let's agree on this, we all make less than Jeff Bezos, so we all have that in common.

Speak for yourself :-).

[W0ut]

This data is only useful if you compare with people from the same country.

In Europe most households earn less than 100.000 euro before tax a year. But still people buy large cars like the X5, e-tron, Model X, etc...

I know for sure that in Belgium a lot of X5 owners (that buy the car as a company car), earn less than 35.000 (after tax) a year.

[dream54ing]

damm, im still at the bottom of the totem pole. any big ballers want to donate to my kids college funds

[RVAGuy]

Originally Posted by dream54ing

damm, im still at the bottom of the totem pole. any big ballers want to donate to my kids college funds

I wouldn’t be surprised if your kids are better students, better adjusted, happier and more focused than many of those at the top of the “totem pole”.

Be careful what you wish for.

[RVAGuy]

Originally Posted by randybobandy

AMEN! Small rant, but I hate going through a thread that is talking about the latest software, but ends up talking about something completely unrelated. I am guilty of it, so I will try to be better! But I am too lazy to sift through nonsense to get to the point. Discussing money/income always bring some sort of awkwardness or animosity. Let's agree on this, we all make less than Jeff Bezos, so we all have that in common.

I’ll add to the diversion.

Appears to be a lot of testosterone (apologies to the female posters) flowing though the site recently. I’m referring to the battle going on between the M “pretenders” and the “purist”. It appears no one is happy.
Admittedly, the BMW M badging does get confusing and, IMO, is unnecessary.

[randybobandy]

RVAGuy this reminds me of those Stolen Valor people. Maybe they should start making videos confronting and calling out M pretenders...I'd subscribe.

[RVAGuy]

Originally Posted by randybobandy

RVAGuy this reminds me of those Stolen Valor people. Maybe they should start making videos confronting and calling out M pretenders...I'd subscribe.

I’m one of them as wife’s 650 is a pretender “M sport”. Lots of M badging inside and out even on the steering wheel should I forget.

I like the sportier look but can appreciate the “purist” hostility as it does muddy up the M brand. I now feel for the M users with the introduction of the “M Competition”. M is now referred to as “base”. Who wants to pay premium $ for a premium “base” car? The guys at BMW are brilliant so I assume there is logic to this strategy.

[karateboi87]

Originally Posted by RVAGuy

I’m one of them as wife’s 650 is a pretender “M sport”. Lots of M badging inside and out even on the steering wheel should I forget.

I like the sportier look but can appreciate the “purist” hostility as it does muddy up the M brand. I now feel for the M users with the introduction of the “M Competition”. M is now referred to as “base”. Who wants to pay premium $ for a premium “base” car? The guys at BMW are brilliant so I assume there is logic to this strategy.

If you look at the number of M sport trims that are ordered on this forum, I'd say BMW is doing very well with the "M sport"

AMG and S line have the same thing too..

[MystroX5]

The days of absolute M, AMG, S, etc.. are gone and have been for a few years now. Companies needed to have different levels of high performance as the thresholds and HP have gotten so high for even experienced drivers. Look at how many 911 variations there are and that should speak volumes that not every performance driver wants the hardest and most extreme vehicle.

The good old days of what a M5 was would be tore apart by some of the standards some feel are worthy of what a “M car” should be. It’s nonsense. M was and is nothing more than a abstract performance idea.

There are degrees of “M” by BMW. This was discussed at length last year. Not everyone wants a full out “M” treatment on every car. It’s not the right tool for the job for most people.
I own full M Competition and a 50i M-Sport. I am in no way offended there is a “M-Sport” package or M50 logo on a SUV and touring cars. I didn’t want a full X5M for my luxury/muscle SUV as it’s low hanging radiators, stiff ride, and other high performance options make it a liability as a cross country touring vehicle in mixed weather.

“M” is a performance idea and not a list of mandatory items to qualify for the letter. Only BMW really determines what they feel is worthy of the “M” letter as it’s their standard.

These days the level of performance of the M-Sport is faster than the full “M” cars of the previous generation. When your non full “M” SUV can do sub 4 second 0-60mph, you pretty much don’t need to prove anything to anybody with a letter on the back of your trunk.

[randybobandy]

Originally Posted by RVAGuy

I’m one of them as wife’s 650 is a pretender “M sport”. Lots of M badging inside and out even on the steering wheel should I forget.

I like the sportier look but can appreciate the “purist” hostility as it does muddy up the M brand. I now feel for the M users with the introduction of the “M Competition”. M is now referred to as “base”. Who wants to pay premium $ for a premium “base” car? The guys at BMW are brilliant so I assume there is logic to this strategy.

The brand died when they decided everything could get an M. Having come from an M car, I can see how they might get pissy. Their beef should be with BMW, not the owner.

[NorCalAthlete]

I'm looking pretty skeptically at these poll results...I thought this was bimmerpost, not lux4play...

[wtwo3]

Originally Posted by NorCalAthlete

I'm looking pretty skeptically at these poll results...I thought this was bimmerpost, not lux4play...

I'm not totally surprised. The G05 is an expensive vehicle. What's the next step up from a fully loaded G05? A Bentayga? Even at an income of $1 million, dropping $200k+ on an automobile is nothing to sneeze at.

I'm sure there are some individuals at or close to a $million income and still have a hard time swallowing the price of the G05.

[Aimster82]

I like to act like my household income is $1M+ when I drive my X5 lol.. does that count?

[NorCalAthlete]

Originally Posted by wtwo3

I'm not totally surprised. The G05 is an expensive vehicle. What's the next step up from a fully loaded G05? A Bentayga? Even at an income of $1 million, dropping $200k+ on an automobile is nothing to sneeze at.

I'm sure there are some individuals at or close to a $million income and still have a hard time swallowing the price of the G05.

Fair point I guess for the X5M / X5MC but you can also snag the V6 for $65k.

I work in tech so it’s common enough to see people pulling $250k-$500k, just the $1M+ numbers surprised me a bit. Half the time someone posts a poll like this people just troll and pick whatever the max is in a “nonyabizness” line of thought.

Lux4Play or 6speedonline on the other hand is where it’s definitely right shifted to the top bracket for a lot of posters.

[MystroX5]

To the credit of the G05 Bimmerpost forum, I am active on other luxury item forums and income questions like this is a disaster bringing out all kinds of social economic justice politics and strait out hate/jealousy comments.

I give the members here of being a grown up regardless how they interpret the results.