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      01-22-2020, 09:26 PM   #793
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I've read and heard from multiple people that own an M3/M4 can drive in those conditions without a problem...
Snow tires are all you need to keep you on the road in normal winter driving conditions. But when you are at risk of getting stuck or plowing through a metre of snow the AWD is really nice to have.

But I'm just speaking with 36 years of driving in ice and snow so what do I know.
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      01-22-2020, 09:59 PM   #794
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the better in snow argument is the stupidest argument ever. anything with snow tires will perform well in snow. clearance is the only thing that makes it better. AWD maybe a bit.
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      01-22-2020, 10:15 PM   #795
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It's obviously not an official M model but for those that don't care about such labels, a powerful RWD vehicle, with the right Limited Slip Differential can satisfied your every performance need.

Me personally, I'm the humble type; I honestly don't mind if it's not an M car, as long as it has the chops to get the job done.

I already have a big M badge, in the center of my M underwear, that's more than enough.
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      01-22-2020, 10:46 PM   #796
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Lmao at the last sentence!! Well played...
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      01-23-2020, 03:41 AM   #797
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non real M cars should get the M without the stripe colors
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      01-23-2020, 09:24 AM   #798
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Any M Performance car is still a pig with lipstick... nice lipstick, but still a pig nonetheless.
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      01-23-2020, 09:45 AM   #799
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Any M Performance car is still a pig with lipstick... nice lipstick, but still a pig nonetheless.
Because of weight?
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      01-23-2020, 10:02 AM   #800
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Because of weight?
No, because of trying to be what's not!

Those M Performance cars are not designed and built by BMW M Division like the real M cars.
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      01-23-2020, 10:22 AM   #801
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No, because of trying to be what's not!

Those M Performance cars are not designed and built by BMW M Division like the real M cars.
The M340i is not trying to be an M.
It is doing the marketing thing that works for others (Merc, Lexus, Audi...) and like tennis racket companies with paintjobs (attaching a label "Endorsed by a certain pro" (in this case bits and pieces by M Division), they make people believe it is an "M lite"
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For many people, the "M lites" are actually better cars. Easier to live with on a daily basis, more comfortable... etc. All this talk about real and fake M cars is funny to me. the only "real" M cars on sale now for me are the M2 & M4.
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For many people, the "M lites" are actually better cars. Easier to live with on a daily basis, more comfortable... etc. All this talk about real and fake M cars is funny to me. the only "real" M cars on sale now for me are the M2 & M4.
No doubt about that!
As I said (a few dozen pages ago ) it was my dream and I fulfilled it, however, due to heavy travel schedule, I am unable to use the M the way I intended to and will not be getting another one at the end of my lease, no matter how impressive the vehicle is and no matter how different it is from the F30/G20 platforms.
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      01-23-2020, 02:55 PM   #805
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Snow tires are all you need to keep you on the road in normal winter driving conditions. But when you are at risk of getting stuck or plowing through a metre of snow the AWD is really nice to have.

But I'm just speaking with 36 years of driving in ice and snow so what do I know.
You're right, how modest of you.
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      01-23-2020, 03:14 PM   #806
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lol this thread is toxic

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      01-23-2020, 03:50 PM   #807
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If everyone just concedes that the G20 330i with its’ ‘light’ weight, 4 cylinder, with all available M add-ons, is the current closest to what an original M3 was / should be (e30 M3), then I think we can move on

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      01-23-2020, 04:25 PM   #808
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Here come the ///M340i guys thinking they are real ///M's stay in the slow lane peasants
yikes dude....
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If everyone just concedes that the G20 330i with its’ ‘light’ weight, 4 cylinder, with all available M add-ons, is the current closest to what an original M3 was / should be (e30 M3), then I think we can move on
Nah dude.

The BMW 230i is the closest. 2-door and small with a 4-banger that can be connected to the rear wheels via a manual transmission.

G20 3-series has a wheelbase an inch longer than the 7 series had when the E30 was in production. Granted, if you ordered the 7-series with the biggest/heaviest engine, it was almost as heavy as the G20.

The 230i is too big as well, but it is very similar in power and size to the E36 M3.

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Nah dude.

The BMW 230i is the closest. 2-door and small with a 4-banger that can be connected to the rear wheels via a manual transmission.

G20 3-series has a wheelbase an inch longer than the 7 series had when the E30 was in production. Granted, if you ordered the 7-series with the biggest/heaviest engine, it was almost as heavy as the G20.

The 230i is too big as well, but it is very similar in power and size to the E36 M3.

Sounds good, anyone else?
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I don't think any standard BMWs with the M Sport or M Performance package ever came with M badges in the grill.
The first one did, the e28 M535i, see pix about 20pages back
Actually it was the 1979 BMW E12 M535i
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Actually it was the 1979 BMW E12 M535i
Yes correct, typo in my orig post!
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Yes, absolutely. Which is a testament to M340i hitting the nail on the head getting it marginally close or even to those two.
I'm sorry, you lost me a bit with that last sentence.. are you saying that one of the reasons M340i is close to/even with M2C and F80/82 is due to BMW programming burbles in each of their DME files?
No I'm saying the performance, feel and sound of a M340i is marginally close to a "real M" as in those two.
I'm betting that margin will be quite wide in comparison to the G80 when it arrives. Maybe then the chest thumping can subside when you have a current-gen variant to compare your super car to.
M shrine boys foaming at mouth waiting for their "bespoke" G80 M3 to come out to save grace, even though they won't won't like the front end as long as the ass end has an M (and the registration) that's all that "M"atters.
Just pointing this out but out of this thread, you seem the most insecure. I'm guessing you picked up a 340i.
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Brace yourselves... The M owners are coming..
And rightfully so.

BMW has been diluting the M for years.
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