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      11-14-2021, 02:04 PM   #177
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If you want a Taycan Cross Tourismo, you're likely going to have to wait for a year or more from what I was told. That's their BEV alternative to the Cayenne Coupe - if I am not mistaken. We considered it before ordering our iX…
Yeah, back in aug/sept I was given an earlier date than that, but ultimately went with an X5 because it was available for production now and could be built with the specs I wanted ... and then the shit hit fan, but I got very very lucky and just snuck by all of my stuff intact (except wireless charging and those rear seat pulls in the cargo bay)

Now I'm sure it's at least a year ... even Tesla is looking at August
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Tesla's being delivered without USB ports.

https://www.engadget.com/tesla-deliv...173616014.html

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Tesla may be thriving despite chip shortages, but those shortcomings are apparently making an impact on the cars people get. Electrek has learned numerous Model 3 and Model Y buyers are receiving their electric vehicles without USB-C ports in the center console or rear seating areas. Some customers said they were alerted in advance, but others only found out when they took their EVs home.
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Tesla's being delivered without USB ports.

https://www.engadget.com/tesla-deliv...173616014.html
but will retrofit!
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Tesla's being delivered without USB ports.

https://www.engadget.com/tesla-deliv...173616014.html
but will retrofit!
and this further proves your point that BMW chooses not to take care of their customers
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We ordered 45e and was delivered with "touchless" screen. My wife did not want it so we ended up picking a regular X5 from the lot. My local dealer in MD had 4 X5s with touch screen.
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We ordered 45e and was delivered with "touchless" screen. My wife did not want it so we ended up picking a regular X5 from the lot. My local dealer in MD had 4 X5s with touch screen.
Can you share dealership name please
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      11-21-2021, 03:42 PM   #183
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Just want to be sure everyone is aware of the lates update.
Touchscreen is back:
https://g05.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1875867
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Just want to be sure everyone is aware of the lates update.
Touchscreen is back:
https://g05.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1875867
Not surprised. I was pretty sure it would be back soon since whether people on this forum use touchscreen or not, it is a mainstream feature for modern cars…for good or for bad.

FWIW BMW makes some of the most responsive touchscreens in the industry. I am impressed.
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I think it's safe to say that a lot of us enthusiasts will likely avoid used 2022 X5s or have to go over the options with a very fine toothcomb.
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I think it's safe to say that a lot of us enthusiasts will likely avoid used 2022 X5s or have to go over the options with a very fine toothcomb.
But do "enthusiasts" who demand the latest tech buy used X5s?

Wouldn't most enthusiasts be looking for new cars with the latest stuff versus used buyers who, due to their very nature, are willing to make compromises? Just seems like anyone willing to buy a 3 or 5 or 7 year old vehicle has already decided they don't need the latest tech ... so is a touchscreen really gonna be a dealbreaker?

For example, anyone buying a 3 year old X5 today already isn't getting backup assistant and might not be getting iDrive 7 (don't remember when they changed). My 2018 M4 Comp doesn't have a touchscreen, but do enthusiasts really care?


Anyway, I definitely agree anyone well-informed & detail-oriented will likely do as you say, but I'd also say that's a niche-of-niche-of-niche buyer ... and, broadly, touchscreens won't have any re-sale impact since prices are generally set by auctions which ignore options, and ultimately those prices flow to Kelley Blue Book, etc, and high-volume used car retailers (driveway, etc), as well as dealerships ...

So while 1 buyer out of 1000 might avoid the 2022s, that still leaves 999 buyers who'll just be glad to get a BMW X5
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Had to check my 22 has it. It does but I never use it because I hate the smudges that result.
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Tesla's being delivered without USB ports.

https://www.engadget.com/tesla-deliv...173616014.html
but will retrofit!
and this further proves your point that BMW chooses not to take care of their customers
I think there is a difference between a $50 USB port and a $2,500 display.
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      11-23-2021, 09:27 PM   #189
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I think there is a difference between a $50 USB port and a $2,500 display.
Serious question: From a manufacturer's retrofit point of view, what is that difference?

My answer is, both seem to be a component at the end of a designed, engineered chain that require software. Seems like the replacement, as least as we've seen articulated here, wouldn't be much: extract the old, plug in the new, update the software.

Thus factoring out the replacement effort, seems like the only difference would be BMWNA doesn't want to pay for 2 screens per vehicle (1 no touch, 1 touch) since the old non-touch screens would probably be worthless. No doubt BMW accountants are saying "but the non-touch screen is still a screen! It's 98% of what's promised and, looking at the data, most people aren't using it anyway!"

From a business point of view that's absolutely the right call ...

From a customer & PR point of view, for a luxury product that solves a specific problem in it's customer's lives, it seems extraordinarily stupid.
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But do "enthusiasts" who demand the latest tech buy used X5s?

Wouldn't most enthusiasts be looking for new cars with the latest stuff versus used buyers who, due to their very nature, are willing to make compromises? Just seems like anyone willing to buy a 3 or 5 or 7 year old vehicle has already decided they don't need the latest tech ... so is a touchscreen really gonna be a dealbreaker?

For example, anyone buying a 3 year old X5 today already isn't getting backup assistant and might not be getting iDrive 7 (don't remember when they changed). My 2018 M4 Comp doesn't have a touchscreen, but do enthusiasts really care?


Anyway, I definitely agree anyone well-informed & detail-oriented will likely do as you say, but I'd also say that's a niche-of-niche-of-niche buyer ... and, broadly, touchscreens won't have any re-sale impact since prices are generally set by auctions which ignore options, and ultimately those prices flow to Kelley Blue Book, etc, and high-volume used car retailers (driveway, etc), as well as dealerships ...

So while 1 buyer out of 1000 might avoid the 2022s, that still leaves 999 buyers who's just be glad to get a BMW X5
You're right. Your M4 is trash if it has either DCT or moonroof. If both, the car has the equivalent of covid to enthusiast buyers in years 9+. Luckily when I sold my E90 M3, I dodged a bullet because I had a 6-speed, despite the moonroof.
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You're right. Your M4 is trash if it has either DCT or moonroof. If both, the car has the equivalent of covid to enthusiast buyers in years 9+. Luckily when I sold my E90 M3, I dodged a bullet because I had a 6-speed, despite the moonroof.
Ha, mine had the mooniest of roofs AND M-DCT!



fun side game: close observer-enthusiasts will notice something interesting in the background...
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You're right. Your M4 is trash if it has either DCT or moonroof. If both, the car has the equivalent of covid to enthusiast buyers in years 9+. Luckily when I sold my E90 M3, I dodged a bullet because I had a 6-speed, despite the moonroof.
Ha, mine had the mooniest of roofs AND M-DCT!



fun side game: close observer-enthusiasts will notice something interesting in the background...
EU delivery. Nice! DCT is the best!!!
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Ha, mine had the mooniest of roofs AND M-DCT!



fun side game: close observer-enthusiasts will notice something interesting in the background...
Extremely cool car. Very desireable.
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Ha, mine had the mooniest of roofs AND M-DCT!



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Oh, I see. Sorry about your loss. Have you tried to convince buyers that no roof = less weight?
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Oh, I see. Sorry about your loss. Have you tried to convince buyers that no roof = less weight?

lol, no, but I will say 80%ish of the miles on that car were driven in anger on road courses and for my money (literally) if you wanna sport drive in California:

* Top down = sound + smells: rubber, oil, & in Cali, wild sage & pine; I'll likely never buy a car for the track again as, for me, the experience is much less ... though I'll rent them for, say, the 'ring or whatever

* Top down anger driving with a heavy roof in the booty is fun as hell; completely ridiculous on a track but on a road course hairpin hangin that ass out is majestic

There doesn't seem to be many better places to drive on Earth than the Santa Cruz mountains ...


Back on topic, that 2018 has no touchscreen & no iDrive7 ... that sure doesn't mean nobody should care, especially in an X5, but I think it does mean that, broadly, 99% of prospective used buyers won't care and certainly used car flippers won't.
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I was lucky to get my x5 before the removed touch screen.
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