[Auricom]

Goodness, the term "ADAPTIVE" is being thrown around, used in so many contexts, and meaning different things to different people - BMW marketing does not help.

BMW X5/6/7 suspensions come standard with Electronic Damping Control (EDC) that automatically and continuously adjust each damper to suit the driving conditions or simply electronically controlled shock absorbers.

Electromagnetically controlled valves in the damper pistons allow the damping forces to be adjusted steplessly. When the valves are opened, more oil can flow from one damper pipe into the other and the damping effect is reduced. In this way, the chassis can balance out unevenesses more effectively and driving comfort increases. When they're closed, the damping is tauter and the handling more direct: a desirable effect for driving fast on roads.

The system can regulate all dampers individually and independently. Sensors ascertain the current movement of the chassis, the condition of the driving surface and the driver's preferences (driving mode). The optimal damping forces are calculated in a few milliseconds and constantly steplessly adjusted.

Yes it adaptive, it's marketed as adaptive and is conflated with ADAPTIVE driving mode.

ADAPTIVE is simply a driving experience mode or Driving Dynamics Control (DDC) or simply drive settings which influences the dynamic driving properties of your vehicle, which includes:

- Engine
- Steptronic transmission
- Steering
- Integral Active Steering (if equipped)
- Electronically controlled shock absorbers
- Electronically controlled Two-Axle air suspension (if equipped)
- Active roll transmission (if equipped)
- Rear differential (if equipped)
- Instrument cluster display
- Cruise control

and ADAPTIVE driving mode is influenced by an active navigation route where it can predictively prep the suspension for upcoming road sections.

Suspension = electronically controlled shock absorbers or dynamic damper suspension or dynamic damper control
Driving mode = ADAPTIVE or Adaptive

#EndRant

[TurtleBoy]

My experience is the opposite and I can tell when Adaptive is changing to using more of the Sport-like settings once I start a little spirited driving. The suspension seems to stiffen up a bit but it is the throttle and transmission response that seems to be more noticeable.

[SmartSaves]

I complained when things were taken away from Canadian MY21 X5 (compared to MY20). I now feel lucky because many of the options are no longer being offered here:

DHP
Rear seat entertainment
LED fog lights
Wireless charging
WiFi hotspot
Gesture control
Laser light is optional extra
Wheels price changed….

All the above can be attributed to chip shortages, but taking away a software driving mode doesn't make whole lot of sense.

[-Vanguard-]

Originally Posted by SmartSaves

I complained when things were taken away from Canadian MY21 X5 (compared to MY20). I now feel lucky because many of the options are no longer being offered here:

DHP
Rear seat entertainment
LED fog lights
Wireless charging
WiFi hotspot
Gesture control
Laser light is optional extra
Wheels price changed….

All the above can be attributed to chip shortages, but taking away a software driving mode doesn't make whole lot of sense.

F95/96 guys- "YOU GUYS GET FOGLIGHTS?!"

[SmartSaves]

Originally Posted by -Vanguard-

F95/96 guys- "YOU GUYS GET FOGLIGHTS?!"

Ha ha … F95/96 has enough power to push away fogs (ideas for BMW marketing )

[B///MWGuy]

Originally Posted by TurtleBoy

That would also effect the Comfort, Eco and Sport modes. All drive modes use the adaptive suspension.

This is incorrect. Cars without adaptive suspension still have driving experience modes which only alters transmission, engine throttle, and steering feel only.

Non-msport trim X5 also has no different suspension feeling even on Sport driving experience mode. Only Adaptive mode changes things.

This is true for all other series cars too.

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by B///MWGuy

This is incorrect. Cars without adaptive suspension still have driving experience modes which only alters transmission, engine throttle, and steering feel only.

Non-msport trim X5 also has no different suspension feeling even on Sport driving experience mode. Only Adaptive mode changes things.

This is true for all other series cars too.

What are you talking about? Please review your previous post and my answer to it. All X5's have adaptive suspensions and would be effected by the adaptive suspension being removed.

[B///MWGuy]

Originally Posted by TurtleBoy

What are you talking about? Please review your previous post and my answer to it. All X5's have adaptive suspensions and would be effected by the adaptive suspension being removed.

Yes all X5s used to have adaptive suspension but I'm suggesting if they might have removed it for base trim (non-msport) of 40i.

I am specifically answering to your last post:

"That would also effect the Comfort, Eco and Sport modes. All drive modes use the adaptive suspension."

For X5s without msport package, adaptive suspension does not change by the driving experience modes. Comfort and Sport both have same suspension stiffness. Only Adaptive mode will change the stiffness. Obviously without adaptive suspension, Adaptive mode will be removed -- this is my theory that I'm hoping I'm wrong.

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by B///MWGuy

I am specifically answering to your last post:

"That would also effect the Comfort, Eco and Sport modes. All drive modes use the adaptive suspension."

For X5s without msport package, adaptive suspension does not change by the driving experience modes. Comfort and Sport both have same suspension stiffness. Only Adaptive mode will change the stiffness.

I was suggesting if BMW removed adaptive suspension and thus ADAPTIVE experience mode for 40is without msport package.

Bolding it doesn't make it any more relevant or correct.

Edit: Here is a good summary of how the different driving modes effect the suspension, transmission, engine, etc.

https://g05.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...50&postcount=2

[Auricom]

Originally Posted by B///MWGuy

This is incorrect. Cars without adaptive suspension still have driving experience modes which only alters transmission, engine throttle, and steering feel only.

That's only true for previous generation BMWs but not the current generation of X5/6s.

USA and international model G05/06 launched and come standard with electronic damper control (EDC) suspension which is the equivalent to the Dynamic Damper Control (DDC) option that you see on BMW model lines 3/4 and X3/4 Series on down.

SEE ATTACHED suspension table suspension showing changes from F15 to G05

Originally Posted by B///MWGuy

Non-msport trim X5 also has no different suspension feeling even on Sport driving experience mode. Only Adaptive mode changes things.

This is true for all other series cars too.

Apologies but that is not a correct statement for USA G05 X5/6 xLine, which is the correct label for not M-Sport trim models. Your only semi-factual statement is the last and it's X3/4 series on down.

What you've quoted is an owner's anecdote in regards to their driving experience and not what is factually and technically correct about the G05 X5 suspension.

G05/06 Driving Dynamics Control or DDC (oh look this abbreviation is one in the same as the DDC option) driving modes - COMFORT, ECO PRO, SPORT, SPORT PLUS, SPORT INDIVIDUAL and ADAPTIVE affect the standard EDC suspension.

You can still have an electronic damper controlled suspension without the DDC ADAPTIVE driving mode.

[kohaiut]

Originally Posted by SmartSaves

I complained when things were taken away from Canadian MY21 X5 (compared to MY20). I now feel lucky because many of the options are no longer being offered here:

DHP
Rear seat entertainment
LED fog lights
Wireless charging
WiFi hotspot
Gesture control
Laser light is optional extra
Wheels price changed….

All the above can be attributed to chip shortages, but taking away a software driving mode doesn't make whole lot of sense.

How big of a loss is DHP (dynamic handling package) for 2021 models? Is this something people will regret not having? .... Enough to wait until it is offered again?

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by kohaiut

How big of a loss is DHP (dynamic handling package) for 2021 models? Is this something people will regret not having? .... Enough to wait until it is offered again?

DHP was never available for the 40i in the US. As far as a must have, it depends on who you ask, what type of driving you do and what you expect out of your vehicle.

[GREENPUS]

Originally Posted by TurtleBoy

DHP was never available for the 40i in the US. As far as a must have, it depends on who you ask, what type of driving you do and what you expect out of your vehicle.

My 2021 40i has DHP and I'm in US

[javapro]

Originally Posted by GREENPUS

My 2021 40i has DHP and I'm in US

I think TurtleBoy meant to say that DHP was not available on G05.

[Auricom]

Originally Posted by GREENPUS

My 2021 40i has DHP and I'm in US

X6 (G06) models for MY20-21 yes, DHP was available on 40i model. MY22 option has been removed.

For context, previous remark by TurtleBoy was regarding USA G05 40i models where DHP was never an option.

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by javapro

I think TurtleBoy meant to say that DHP was not available on G05.

That is correct. My comment was based on the original posting regarding the DHP being removed from the X5 40i in Canada.

[SmartSaves]

Originally Posted by kohaiut

How big of a loss is DHP (dynamic handling package) for 2021 models? Is this something people will regret not having? .... Enough to wait until it is offered again?

I have it and allow me to explain how it might be useful to different demographics.

Stabilization: If you have spirited driving style you'll enjoy the additional stabilization on bends and corners.

IAS: If you find X5 is large vehicle to maneuver in tight spaces and turning radius is rather large then you'll appreciate Integral Active Steering.

Torque Vectoring (side-to-side): This has many benefits if you push your vehicle towards its limit (most owners don't). However, in colder climates with slippery/icy roads this is highly sought after option. With good winter tires side-to-side torque vectoring does magic without you knowing what is going on. xDrive is nice, does fine job, most will be happy with it, but limited slip differential is just next level. Some will say the benefits are marginal compared to the xDrive, but that little extra makes a difference.

X5/X6 is nice vehicles even without DHP, this option caters to small segment of the owners. I would want to do test drive to compare, but you'll find it difficult to locate one that has this option. Most sales person are not well versed on this package, unfortunately, and this is another reason for low adoption rate.

All that being said, in general, it is not a good time to buy luxury vehicles simply because your getting less for the same dollar. Lastly, I highly doubt BMW will bring it back, waiting might not be worth while.

[10101X5]

Originally Posted by SmartSaves

I complained when things were taken away from Canadian MY21 X5 (compared to MY20). I now feel lucky because many of the options are no longer being offered here:

DHP
Rear seat entertainment
LED fog lights
Wireless charging
WiFi hotspot
Gesture control
Laser light is optional extra
Wheels price changed….

All the above can be attributed to chip shortages, but taking away a software driving mode doesn't make whole lot of sense.

We have seen comments about useless/impractical rear seat entertainment, the X5 not looking sporty with fogs, overheated iPhone in the tray, weak hotspot, useless gesture control, not so practical laser light, haven't we? Way to go BMW. You addressed most of the issues. You save on parts. People can't complain anymore. Win win situation.

[B///MWGuy]

Originally Posted by Auricom

That's only true for previous generation BMWs but not the current generation of X5/6s.

USA and international model G05/06 launched and come standard with electronic damper control (EDC) suspension which is the equivalent to the Dynamic Damper Control (DDC) option that you see on BMW model lines 3/4 and X3/4 Series on down.

SEE ATTACHED suspension table suspension showing changes from F15 to G05



Apologies but that is not a correct statement for USA G05 X5/6 xLine, which is the correct label for not M-Sport trim models. Your only semi-factual statement is the last and it's X3/4 series on down.

What you've quoted is an owner's anecdote in regards to their driving experience and not what is factually and technically correct about the G05 X5 suspension.

G05/06 Driving Dynamics Control or DDC (oh look this abbreviation is one in the same as the DDC option) driving modes - COMFORT, ECO PRO, SPORT, SPORT PLUS, SPORT INDIVIDUAL and ADAPTIVE affect the standard EDC suspension.

You can still have an electronic damper controlled suspension without the DDC ADAPTIVE driving mode.

Yes, you are correct in that all X5s now have EDC/DDC and my post assumes that. My post about "DDC does not apply the profile for Sport/Sport Plus for those with standard trim (non-M Sport)" is from official technical doc that I can't find at the moment. It appears that your older posts also seem supports this:
https://g05.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...29&postcount=3
https://g05.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...69&postcount=4

Please correct me if I read that wrong.

[iceRN09]

Originally Posted by TurtleBoy

My experience is the opposite and I can tell when Adaptive is changing to using more of the Sport-like settings once I start a little spirited driving. The suspension seems to stiffen up a bit but it is the throttle and transmission response that seems to be more noticeable.

I agree with this. I drove in NH curvy roads initial curve when adaptive is on comfort. I can tell by the body roll. Once the system senses that curvy road. It adapts to sports suspension before the 2nd curve. Which dramatically lessens the body roll..

[Auricom]

Originally Posted by B///MWGuy

Yes, you are correct in that all X5s now have EDC/DDC and my post assumes that. My post about "DDC does not apply the profile for Sport/Sport Plus for those with standard trim (non-M Sport)" is from official technical doc that I can't find at the moment. It appears that your older posts also seem supports this:
https://g05.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...38;postcount=3
https://g05.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...38;postcount=4

Please correct me if I read that wrong.

I recall my earlier posts after digging into standard suspension for US/EU/International markets.

Here's the quote you're looking for:

"In contrast to all other chassis and suspension packages, the basic version of the Driving Experience Control does not affect regulation of the Electronic Damper Control (EDC)."

Tech doc is incorrect in documentation regarding xLine models where DDC doesn't affect the EDC base suspension. xLine EDC suspension and M Sport with 2VF Adaptive M suspension share identical components - springs, shocks, passive roll stabilization bars (anti-roll bars) - the only difference between the two are the DDC to EDC damping rates.

It's not the only instance where the tech docs are incorrect - General Vehicle Electronics which cover headlights, where there are 3 types of headlight units available across all markets and USA standard full adaptive LEDs headlights do not have cornering lights.

[B///MWGuy]

Originally Posted by Auricom

I recall my earlier posts after digging into standard suspension for US/EU/International markets.

Here's the quote you're looking for:

"In contrast to all other chassis and suspension packages, the basic version of the Driving Experience Control does not affect regulation of the Electronic Damper Control (EDC)."

Tech doc is incorrect in documentation regarding xLine models where DDC doesn't affect the EDC base suspension. xLine EDC suspension and M Sport with 2VF Adaptive M suspension share identical components - springs, shocks, passive roll stabilization bars (anti-roll bars) - the only difference between the two are the DDC to EDC damping rates.

It's not the only instance where the tech docs are incorrect - General Vehicle Electronics which cover headlights, where there are 3 types of headlight units available across all markets and USA standard full adaptive LEDs headlights do not have cornering lights.

Interesting how the doc could be so misleading.. Well, I'm happy to learn that DDC affect the EDC base suspension. But am a little underwhelmed that the adjustment must be ever so subtle I hardly felt much difference unless I change the experience setting to ADAPTIVE.

Sorry for deriving the discussion a little off tangent but hopefully it clears up some of the suspension set up confusions that folks like me had.

Thanks!