[BimmerDad84]

So my sales dude said that there's no point to order yet since they don't have allocations. I guess it's not a popular car in my area. There is a waiting list for the x7 though.

When will custom colors come out?

Is bw speakers an option?

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by BimmerDad84

So my sales dude said that there's no point to order yet since they don't have allocations. I guess it's not a popular car in my area. There is a waiting list for the x7 though.

When will custom colors come out?

Is bw speakers an option?

There is an advantage to ordering now since you don't know how many allocations they may get. If you are the first one in the order bank then you would get the first allocation. If you wait someone else could get it and we don't know how plentiful the allocations will be.

B&W is only an option on the M60i.

Here are the Individual paints:

Link for mobile app users -2024 X5 Individual Paints

2024 Plant Spartanburg Special Order Paint[1675780464194].pdf

[iTomH]

Originally Posted by fr_tz

Here’s my build. Thinking about dialing it back to Premium with no Climate Comfort as 88K is a bit rich. Also, I was told 4LM - Fineline Black Wood Trim is not available on the 50e. Am I reading the order guide wrong?

I placed my order today with the Order Bank. Thanks for posting so I could show my dealer what you did.

[iTomH]

Originally Posted by nZtiZia

he’s new to hybrid (and likely charging) so we need to differentiate better between the two Levels of charging available in U.S. homes

dyzfnctional
Level 1 charging is where you plug into a standard home outlet (110/120V). I don’t know what the max amp rating the included charging cable for the 50e will be, but it will likely be 10A. any higher, owners run the risk of tripping circuit breakers as most home outlets are 15A. BMW has to provide a charging cable that has to work out of the box for everyone. when patt1289 said “14-15h from empty to full”, that’s assuming you have a dedicated 20A outlet and an upgraded third-party charging cable capable of pulling 16A. (this follows the 80% electrical code where sustained amps pulled should only be 80% of the circuit’s max amp rating. in this case, 80% of 20A is 16A. KNOW AND UNDERSTAND THIS RULE as this lack of understanding is how folks burn down their homes.) if you don’t have a dedicated 20A outlet or an upgraded Level 1 cable, you’ll only be pulling 10A with the included cable, so it’ll take closer to 24h (assuming ~28kWh needed to replenish the 25.7kWh capacity)

Level 2 charging is where you have a dedicated 220/240V circuit. doubling the voltage cuts the charging time in half given the same amperage.
for example:
16A @ 120V will take ~11h to charge the 45e's 17.1kWh battery
16A @ 240V will take ~5.5h to charge the 45e's 17.1kWh battery.
regarding your rims, you may consider getting them powder coated

So even if I install a 240V 50A Service....it will only charge at 32A?

[iTomH]

Originally Posted by deano17

Personally, I went Premium pack instead of Executive. And I didn’t do the Anthracite headliner, mostly because I didn’t know what it is so figured I wouldn’t miss it. I added the trailer hitch. I prefer the climate package because people in back like their own controls and I wanted the ventilated seats for summer (100 degrees here). I think I came in a little under $86, but you have a wheel upgrade too. And dealer is giving me a whopping 1.5% off!

I did the same thing. With the new configuration of the gear selector, having glass controls was minimized and I didn't want the manual rear shades because I'm limo tinting the back windows.

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by iTomH

So even if I install a 240V 50A Service....it will only charge at 32A?

That is correct.

[iTomH]

Originally Posted by patt1289

Prepare for charging now. Either get an 20Amp outlet and breaker upgraded to 20Amp, or install a 50Amp circuit and level 2 charger. The level 2 is the way to go if your breaker panel has the capacity. If you have a friend or friend of a friend who is a licensed electrician you can get it done pretty cheap, especially if you help pull the wire. You current and future driving habits should be considered for the type of charging you do. You can plug into a standard 110 outlet, but with the increased battery size it will probably take 14 to 15 hours to charge from empty to full. The only reason I say now, is housing starts are down and electricians are plentiful. June they will be busy and if the wire pull is in your attic or crawlspace, they will charge a premium.

I'm still not sure I understand the difference between the 240V 50A charger that comes with the car as standard equipment and the wall box that you pay and extra $500-$600. It appears that the charging rates are about the same.

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by iTomH

I'm still not sure I understand the difference between the 240V 50A charger that comes with the car as standard equipment and the wall box that you pay and extra $500-$600. It appears that the charging rates are about the same.

A charger does not come with the vehicle. A charging cable does for plugging into 120v outlets.

[iTomH]

Originally Posted by TurtleBoy

That is correct.

This is my first BMW. I've always been a Lexus owner but when they decided to put a 4 cylinder engine in the RX350....I had to change. After reading post on this forum for the past few months, I'm sure that I made the right decision.

[mobsync]

Originally Posted by TurtleBoy

A charger does not come with the vehicle. A charging cable does for plugging into 120v outlets.

Any idea how many amps the 50e will draw when charging with a 240v outlet? Greater than 16?

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by mobsync

Any idea how many amps the 50e will draw when charging with a 240v outlet? Greater than 16?

The max would be 32 according to what was posted.

[nZtiZia]

Originally Posted by iTomH

I'm still not sure I understand the difference between the 240V 50A charger that comes with the car as standard equipment and the wall box that you pay and extra $500-$600. It appears that the charging rates are about the same.

in the US, electric vehicle charging goes by "Level" which indicates how much power is delivered (Level 1, 2, 3, 4).
https://www.aptiv.com/en/insights/ar...vels-and-modes

the charging cable included with the vehicle is a Level 1 device (110/120V) that everyone can use on their household outlets. the drawback is that it's slow. it may be ok for some, such as retired folks or those who WFH.

doubling the power at the same amperage cuts the charging time in half, so many folks install a Level 2 device in their homes (220/240V).

while the charging rates may appear the same (16A, 32A, etc), the charging time is reduced depending on the voltage. for example, to charge the 45e's 17kWh battery:
16A @ 120V takes ~11h
16A @ 240V takes ~5.5h

charging at Level 3 and 4 doesn't apply to a home setup.

[nZtiZia]

Originally Posted by iTomH

So even if I install a 240V 50A Service....it will only charge at 32A?

generally speaking, yes. the vehicle will adjust the amperage so as not to exceed the charger's maximum 7.4kW: lower if voltage is > 240V, higher if voltage is < 240V. this is illustrated by the formula Voltage x Amps = Watts

NOTE: many refer to the charging cable as the "charger", but that's technically incorrect. the 50e's 7.4kW charger is actually inside the vehicle. maximizing its charging power depends on the voltage.

if i had the 50e, it would actually charge a little less than 32A because my voltage is 247V.
using the formula above: 7.4kW (7400W) divided by 247V = 30A
if i had exactly 240V, then it would charge at 30.8A. even though 240V x 32A = 7680W (7.68kW), remember that the 50e's charger is capped at 7.4kW which explains why it won't charge exactly at 32A with a 240V Level 2 device.

[BimmerDad84]

Originally Posted by TurtleBoy

There is an advantage to ordering now since you don't know how many allocations they may get. If you are the first one in the order bank then you would get the first allocation. If you wait someone else could get it and we don't know how plentiful the allocations will be.

B&W is only an option on the M60i.

Here are the Individual paints:

Link for mobile app users -2024 X5 Individual Paints

Attachment 3114378

Thanks... so I should go to the shop and insist on putting an order in!

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by BimmerDad84

Thanks... so I should go to the shop and insist on putting an order in!

Not all dealers want to deal with waiting lists but it sounds like from your earlier post your dealer has one for the X7 so they might as well for the X5. It could be they don't want to yet because they are waiting to see the demand and figure out their pricing.

[iTomH]

Originally Posted by TurtleBoy

A charger does not come with the vehicle. A charging cable does for plugging into 120v outlets.

I was told that the charging cable in the e50 comes with two pigtail cables. One fits into a standard 110V outlet or you can change the pigtail on the cable to plug into a 240V NEMA 14-50 outlet. Is that not the case??

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by iTomH

I was told that the charging cable in the e50 comes with two pigtail cables. One fits into a standard 110V outlet or you can change the pigtail on the cable to plug into a 240V NEMA 14-50 outlet. Is that not the case??

That is currently not the case but that could have changed with the 50e. We would have to get more info but the cable likely won’t allow charging at the full 32amps (max for the 50e from what has been posted).

[iTomH]

Originally Posted by iTomH

I was told that the charging cable in the e50 comes with two pigtail cables. One fits into a standard 110V outlet or you can change the pigtail on the cable to plug into a 240V NEMA 14-50 outlet. Is that not the case??

Originally Posted by TurtleBoy

That is currently not the case but that could have changed with the 50e. We would have to get more info but the cable likely won’t allow charging at the full 32amps (max for the 50e from what has been posted).

According to the Order Sheet, it comes with the 4T3 Flexible Charging Cable. See the attached link that describes the 4T3:

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=908206263911706

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by iTomH

According to the Order Sheet, it comes with the 4T3 Flexible Charging Cable. See the attached link that describes the 4T3:

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=908206263911706

Like I said it could have changed. I'm sure someone can chime in as to the differences between this and a traditional charger.

[LM (Learningman)]

New user here. For clairifaction purposes what does the acronym LCI mean?

[Bmwx5z]

Originally Posted by LM (Learningman)

New user here. For clairifaction purposes what does the acronym LCI mean?

BMW speak lifecycle impulse
Aka
Mid cycle refresh/redesign


Btw Tesla mobile evse are also max rated for 32 amps, those can have swappable adapter for 110v or various 240v adapters.

It comes w Nema 5-15 adapter (normal household plug)
Household plus rated max 15 amps but function at 12 amps (80%)
12 Amps x 110 = 1,320 watts or 1.3kW

With Nema 14-50, max 50 amp rating, 80% can pull 40 amps
But Tesla mobile connector is still limited to 32 amps (Tesla also sells nonswappable connector w 14-50 plus that can pull 40amps but it’s been out of stocks for months)
32 amps x 240 volts = 7.68 kW

If the evse that comes w bmw can pull 40 amps
40x240=9.6 Kw

Not sure if 50e will also have same cable as iX
If 50e can only handle 7kW it’ll have to pull less amps.


I personally slow charge a car anyways… it if over night I have 12 hours of cheaper tiered rates, I can manually decrease amps, such that I can have whatever percent I want by the morning.
Slower charging battery is also better for long term, less heat generation

[iTomH]

If the evse that comes w bmw can pull 40 amps
40x240=9.6 Kw

Not sure if 50e will also have same cable as iX
If 50e can only handle 7kW it’ll have to pull less amps.


According to the BMW pricing guides, both the iX and the 50e come with the same 4T3 Flexible Fast Charger.