[Mattl0806]

Originally Posted by TurtleBoy

That is up to you as to what type of drive you want. If you want the most comfortable drive possible with some sportiness when in Sport mode then go for the air suspension. If you want a sportier ride that is not quite as comfortable then no need to add it. It would be best if you could test drive both configurations since suspension feel is a personal thing.

Do you still get rear wheel steering as standard if you option the air?

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by Mattl0806

Do you still get rear wheel steering as standard if you option the air?

Yes

[Mattl0806]

Originally Posted by TurtleBoy

Yes

Interesting..
IMO - Air presents a really interesting option then. The difference btw air and suspension pro is mainly the roll stabilization, right? I believe air is also known for being more stable overall due to its ability to have more range of motion? So more comfortable, rear wheel steering - close enough in handling - best option??

[T3PO]

Originally Posted by Mattl0806

Interesting..
IMO - Air presents a really interesting option then. The difference btw air and suspension pro is mainly the roll stabilization, right? I believe air is also known for being more stable overall due to its ability to have more range of motion? So more comfortable, rear wheel steering - close enough in handling - best option??

The standard M60 suspension is more similar to the pro suspension in how it operates. The air suspension cannot be combined with the pro suspension. I would be careful choosing a performance vehicle with the air suspension setup, it may be softer than you like and def offer the worst handling, but will provide the most comfort.

[Mattl0806]

Originally Posted by T3PO

The standard M60 suspension is more similar to the pro suspension in how it operates. The air suspension cannot be combined with the pro suspension. I would be careful choosing a performance vehicle with the air suspension setup, it may be softer than you like and def offer the worst handling, but will provide the most comfort.

Yes I know air cannot be combined with the pro setup.

The old DHP setup added both rear wheel steering and roll stabilization.

Now you get rear steering no matter the suspension choice.

So the delta btw air and the pro setup is less in that they both get rear wheel steering.

[T3PO]

Originally Posted by Mattl0806

Yes I know air cannot be combined with the pro setup.

The old DHP setup added both rear wheel steering and roll stabilization.

Now you get rear steering no matter the suspension choice.

So the delta btw air and the pro setup is less in that they both get rear wheel steering.

You are correct the delta will be less. Albeit most likely minuscule, this is due to the effects of spring rate and damping for example, which will have a larger impact to handling over rear steering. Even with a reduced delta nobody is going to confuse Air with M pro.

[Photographer918]

Originally Posted by swainbmw

If you put the app Waze on your phone, you’ll never use your navigation system again in a few years. Navigation systems won’t even be in cars. It’ll be all based from your phone. Plus, the app shows were all the cops are sitting and if you CarPlay it it’s on your screen.

That’ll be a problem then. Cell phone based nav works fairly well - but not perfectly on interstates. Get off the interstates in the western states, and losing cell service and cell based nav is pretty common. Switching to BMW GPS based nav saves the day…..

[Mattl0806]

Originally Posted by T3PO

You are correct the delta will be less. Albeit most likely minuscule, this is due to the effects of spring rate and damping for example, which will have a larger impact to handling over rear steering. Even with a reduced delta nobody is going to confuse Air with M pro.

Good to learn. Was a simple ah ha moment that made me think maybe air was the best choice now, but I guess now. I do wish bmw would tune air like porsche does where you can truly get comfort and super sporty all in one.

[Mattl0806]

Originally Posted by Photographer918

That’ll be a problem then. Cell phone based nav works fairly well - but not perfectly on interstates. Get off the interstates in the western states, and losing cell service and cell based nav is pretty common. Switching to BMW GPS based nav saves the day…..

I much prefer in car units as well but this is an addressable problem for any car given a little hardware for storage that gets updated on an acceptable frequency and only used when a signal is unavailable. TMK map providers already offer routes to be stored locally on your phone?

[T3PO]

Originally Posted by Mattl0806

Good to learn. Was a simple ah ha moment that made me think maybe air was the best choice now, but I guess now. I do wish bmw would tune air like porsche does where you can truly get comfort and super sporty all in one.

There is a thread on here where some members swear by the pro, saying comfort is even more comfortable than air. There may be some good opinions in there to review.

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by T3PO

There is a thread on here where some members swear by the pro, saying comfort is even more comfortable than air. There may be some good opinions in there to review.

It definitely is not more comfortable than air. What it seems people are referring to when they say that is comfort in cornering as they don't feel the body roll. As far as comfort over road imperfections, etc. the air will be much more comfortable.

[gap12020]

Originally Posted by swainbmw

If you put the app Waze on your phone, you’ll never use your navigation system again in a few years. Navigation systems won’t even be in cars. It’ll be all based from your phone. Plus, the app shows were all the cops are sitting and if you CarPlay it it’s on your screen.

True, but navigational commands do not show on the HUD. On the factory navigation they do. Voice command is also very well integrated on the factory navigation.

[WTGBMW]

Navigational directions do show up on HUD using android auto and I would assume apple carplay

[swainbmw]

Originally Posted by gap12020

True, but navigational commands do not show on the HUD. On the factory navigation they do. Voice command is also very well integrated on the factory navigation.

Unfortunately, Waze does not show on the heads up, but I still like using Waze better and if you’re wearing a Apple Watch, it will Do Audible tone turn by turn? and on your CarPlay

[matowi]

If you use Apple Maps via CarPlay or Google Maps via Android Auto they should show up on the HUD or instrument cluster

Google Maps or Waze used through CarPlay (iPhone) won’t show up

^^^ that is based on my own experience with g11 7 and confirmed with users of pre-LCI G05s

[eelnoraa]

Originally Posted by Alan l.

I have these on my F80 M3 and F95 X5M. Its a factory BMW part that replaces the "oh shit handles". Works perfectly

https://www.ecstuning.com/b-genuine-...51164862874kt/


You will also need 4 of these or there won't be anything to screw into
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1


Hope that helps
Alan

100% agree. this sunglasses hold is 10x better than the clip on sun visor.

[aussieintexas]

[QUOTE=matowi;30750392]If you use Apple Maps via CarPlay or Google Maps via Android Auto they should show up on the HUD or instrument cluster

Google Maps or Waze used through CarPlay (iPhone) won’t show up

^^^ that is based on my own experience with g11 7 and confirmed with users of pre-LCI G05s

Google maps shows up on the HUD too

[matowi]

From iPhone?

I never managed to get that to work. Probably don’t know the right tricks

[T3PO]

There is a little storage box beneath your left knee on the dash, I have found that my sunglasses fit there with no issue.

*Left hand drive models

[chefwong]

Originally Posted by swainbmw

Unfortunately, Waze does not show on the heads up, but I still like using Waze better and if you’re wearing a Apple Watch, it will Do Audible tone turn by turn? and on your CarPlay

I don't believe Waze does that but if Using Apple Maps, it does do a haptic vibration on turns. I don't Apple Maps much, so maybe it even doers it on exits. Just noticed it the one time I was using Apple Maps and for the turns, it was doing a nice haptic feedback on the AW

[swainbmw]

Originally Posted by chefwong

I don't believe Waze does that but if Using Apple Maps, it does do a haptic vibration on turns. I don't Apple Maps much, so maybe it even doers it on exits. Just noticed it the one time I was using Apple Maps and for the turns, it was doing a nice haptic feedback on the AW

You’re right I forgot it’s on Apple Maps but I did like it. I never use navigation in any car. I don’t like how you have to put. The destination in. The calculations are always off. It’s easier just to use your iPhone or use Waze.

[BMPHIL]

Originally Posted by swainbmw

You’re right I forgot it’s on Apple Maps but I did like it. I never use navigation in any car. I don’t like how you have to put. The destination in. The calculations are always off. It’s easier just to use your iPhone or use Waze.

Just use voice control on standard navigation for inputting destinations or send from your phone before entering car, works really well.