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I like the Q8 exterior styling, especially what Audi does with LED light strips on the back. When I test drove a Prestige, I was less than impressed with how it drove. The engine wasn't refined and the suspension was just OK. The 4 wheel steering was pretty sweet though and i will option it on my next X5. I much prefer the inline 6 in the BMW and the air suspension in the X5 makes it better riding than the Q8.
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Not a fan of this update. I liked the looks of the pre-refresh, even if it was considered simple or boring.
However the new interior is much worse. Audi's old MMI was great, this new touchscreen one is awful and includes so much piano black plastic with huge amounts of dust, scratches and fingerprints (an OCD nightmare), and the great and tactile HVAC controls are now gone and put into the touchscreen. A mix between touchscreen and physical controls such as the interior of the Q3 would have been better. Not to mention in both pre and post-facelift the materials are still incredibly cheap feeling with too many plastics compared to a similarly equipped X5/7 which includes more soft touch materials, smooth leathers and a nice amount of stitching added. Another problem is the new engine isn't as good. The old V6 was better due to its supercharged nature. However if the new engine loses the supercharger and is likely going to suffer from lag that is present in the new S4/5 with a similar powertrain. Audi as of late seems to be producing a lot of misses. I miss their vehicles like the B8/8.5 A4 and A5 as well as the first generation A7 and previous A8. |
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02-04-2020, 11:47 AM | #48 |
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in order to steer this conversation back on track away from the Bling and the Golden Chains. Here is some more reviews.
A lot of people seem to like the car: Audi Owner: "Just put down a deposit on this one for my family. Smoothest ride from an SUV I’ve found and we test drove everything in the segment. Air suspension is almost cloud like, barely perceptible gear shifts, and engine is quiet but powerful. Mercedes GLE and GLS ride is frankly cheap even with airmatic suspension but beautiful interior. BMW X5 has nauseating throttle response and engine breaking even in comfort mode. Cayenne was nice but to similarly equip it you’re at 90k." German review of sq8 - no bad: |
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I own a 2019 X5 40i
Test drove the 2020 Q7 today Damn impressive interior and ride is way better than X5 with adaptive m suspension and better than the loaner X7 I had with air suspension Feels more isolated from the road than X5 Lifeless steering (usual Audi trait,I know because I own one ) Overall I’d still prefer to drive the X5 But this is way closer to the X5 than the 2019 Q7
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Did you feel any lag in the engine. There is a concern around Audi community about moving from Supercharged to turbo engine |
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I've driven both the supercharged (2018) - a lot - and turbocharged (2020) - test drives - versions of the Q7, and honestly didn't perceive a significant difference between them. There is a definite lag in pressing the throttle and acceleration - but I don't believe attributable to the engine. It's been reported numerous times in reviews for both the Q7 and Q5, and I've never seen the exact cause defined. My own personal suspicion is the dual-clutch transmission - and it doesn't happen predictably or consistently - usually from a dead stop to a quick acceleration: there is a distinct pause in the tranny catching up to pressing the accelerator, but not always, and not to the same degree - sometimes almost 0.5 seconds I'd estimate, sometimes almost none. One of the reasons it's such a joy to be back in BMW - never experienced anything like it in any BMW I owned.
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For the second reason, they changed their ECU mapping after the VW "scandal" on emissions. The difference between a 2016 and a 2018 model is very clear. My 2016 MY already has that lag, it is worse now; BMW transmissions are so much more responsive... My colleague has just signed up for the new Q7 60 TFSiE (PH).. We'll see. Not been tested yet |
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The lag is real.... and one of the reasons we went with an X5 over a Q8.
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And I’ve driven the 2019 Q7 with the same engine I think there is less lag on the supercharged engine vs the newer turbo The DSG is a great gearbox but it’s very different than a regular automatic And behaves as such. Try switching from 1st to reverse and wait like 4 seconds for any movement. It’s basically an automated manual. But it shifts faster than most people can, but can be caught out when you are in 4th and accelerating and it’s prepared 5th for you then you suddenly take your foot off the gas when the lights go red, it takes a few seconds to figure (guess) what you are doing next I prefer the instant response of the supercharged vs any turbo I’ve driven so far Plus the super charged engine has a tune that takes it from 333hp to 450 Nothing like that yet for the newer turbocharged engine
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But overpriced for what it is and it’s performance. You wanna charge that much give me more than 335hp But it does have a great interior.
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The new Audi turbo lags are little annoying, not sure what Audi was smoking here. I have a 2016 A7 3.0T supercharger and wow that engine moves and is very responsive. It rockets to 60 plus without delay. When I drove the 2019 A7 loaner I noticed the dead feel in the peddle and some lag but it wasnt bad but then going back to my 2016 A7 I was happier with the responsiveness of my A7. The 2020 A7 I test drove was far better so I guess they are mapping the ECU differently but nonetheless the supercharger V6 they had was the best. I am going for the 2020 Audi RS7 so I am all good.
Back to the X5, I love the new one alot and plan to replace our 2015 X5d with the 2020 X5 40i but I am hoping we can get more than 550 miles on a tank highway driving for work commute. I will see the new Q7 and reserve judgement on it. I like how the current Q7 feels more solid and more planted than my 2015 X5 and a more heavier steering feel. The new MMI touch is actually awesome and is more fun to use than the older MMI though you lose the buttons but its more than sufficient. I cannot speak much to the idrive as I find it a little cumbersome to go to submenus etc. |
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