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      06-30-2020, 11:30 AM   #243
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There are and it would.

The point of view that so many have about masks is very self-centric completely missing the point that if everybody wore them in all situations where they should be worn things might look considerably different.

Knowing this was going to be an issue, we went to a paint supply store and stocked up on n95 respirators. I wear a cloth mask for general outside stuff where people are closer than 6' so I don't get them sick and wear my n95 under my cloth mask when going inside stores and other places with circulating air.

At my office I wear a cloth mask in common areas and my n95 in areas that have more people or I don't know the people in that area.

I work far out in the middle of nowhere so it is easy to socially distance most of the time and I work from home every other week.

Fill your mask with candy while sitting through boring meetings to spice things up.

Well you are taking it far more serious than 99.99999% of the people I see. Most people are adjusting theirs, pulling it down to talk, etc etc. I just wear mine when required and avoid getting within 6 feet of people. Seemed to have worked so far.
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Well you are taking it far more serious than 99.99999% of the people I see. Most people are adjusting theirs, pulling it down to talk, etc etc. I just wear mine when required and avoid getting within 6 feet of people. Seemed to have worked so far.
15 years in healthcare will do that. Lots of TB, plague, and others came through over the years. H1N1 season was wild and this is well beyond that.

Hopefully you stay well sir.
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      06-30-2020, 11:35 AM   #245
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They just mandated masks everywhere in my state, I can't wait for someone to try to put hands on me for not wearing one.
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      06-30-2020, 11:37 AM   #246
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Get one of these mesh airsoft ones
bro are you stalking me? I just posted this on facebook yesterday...very strongly considering it.

I want to wait til the EO comes out to see if they write it as stupid as a gun law where this mask would comply with the letter.
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15 years in healthcare will do that. Lots of TB, plague, and others came through over the years. H1N1 season was wild and this is well beyond that.

Hopefully you stay well sir.
Just doing what I can while still living my life. My neighbors were supposed to go the beach with my wife and I on the 1st, but they got the rona. They are off quarantine as of today and testing later but we told them we weren't comfortable with them joining us. They caught it from a nurse that deals with Covid patents and thought it would be a good idea to spend a weekend at the lake with them. Haha.
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      06-30-2020, 12:15 PM   #248
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I don't really care if the government wants to mandate mask wearing or not, but what I do find very interesting is the stark contrast between the US and my own country. I don't quite understand where the difference is coming from. It does not make any sense to me.

On June 1st, the lockdown measures were eased. Bars and restaurants were allowed to reopen. Depending on the feasibility of 1.5m social distancing, they are allowed to host up to 30 people inside. Masks are not mandated. Keep in mind that stores (grocery stores, supermarkets, hardware stores etc. etc.) were never shut down here and never had a mask mandate. I can promise you that a lot of Dutch grocery stores are a lot more cramped than your average US store. In any case, between June 1st and today we've barely seen an increase in cases compared to before the more stringent pre-June 1st measures.

I had expected the case totals to rise, but they seem to be dropping slightly instead.


Source: Dutch CDC

A: Amount of reported cases reported by date
B: Amount of reported hospital admissions by date
C: Amount of reported deaths by date

So we're in a situation where people are allowed to get together in bars and restaurants without masks, yet we're not seeing a sharp increase in case numbers. It seems to have been fairly stable for the entirety of June. We've had some great weather the past few weeks and a lot of people were out and about.

Even more interestingly, starting tomorrow, July 1st, sex workers will be allowed to resume their work. The 30 people limit is removed (unlimited). Social distancing requirements still apply, except for sex workers (gee!).

Now we do have a mask mandate for public transporation, but you must wear a non-medical grade mask. You can get a fine if you're wearing a medical-grade mask.

Is this just a matter of scale? US is significantly bigger, so the problem is also significantly bigger? But even then, it's strange to see.
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I don't really care if the government wants to mandate mask wearing or not, but what I do find very interesting is the stark contrast between the US and my own country. I don't quite understand where the difference is coming from. It does not make any sense to me.

On June 1st, the lockdown measures were eased. Bars and restaurants were allowed to reopen. Depending on the feasibility of 1.5m social distancing, they are allowed to host up to 30 people inside. Masks are not mandated. Keep in mind that stores (grocery stores, supermarkets, hardware stores etc. etc.) were never shut down here and never had a mask mandate. I can promise you that a lot of Dutch grocery stores are a lot more cramped than your average US store. In any case, between June 1st and today we've barely seen an increase in cases compared to before the more stringent pre-June 1st measures.

I had expected the case totals to rise, but they seem to be dropping slightly instead.


Source: Dutch CDC

A: Amount of reported cases reported by date
B: Amount of reported hospital admissions by date
C: Amount of reported deaths by date

So we're in a situation where people are allowed to get together in bars and restaurants without masks, yet we're not seeing a sharp increase in case numbers. It seems to have been fairly stable for the entirety of June. We've had some great weather the past few weeks and a lot of people were out and about.

Even more interestingly, starting tomorrow, July 1st, sex workers will be allowed to resume their work. The 30 people limit is removed (unlimited). Social distancing requirements still apply, except for sex workers (gee!).

Now we do have a mask mandate for public transporation, but you must wear a non-medical grade mask. You can get a fine if you're wearing a medical-grade mask.

Is this just a matter of scale? US is significantly bigger, so the problem is also significantly bigger? But even then, it's strange to see.
The data here is very...unreliable.

There's been reports of unused Coronavirus test swabs being sent in for testing and returning positive...
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I definitely wear a mask in crowded places, such as shops and public transport. I have enough friends who are sick and I do not want to risk it.
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      07-03-2020, 05:58 AM   #251
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You can get a fine if you're wearing a medical-grade mask.
This is not true, the prime minister already assured that 6 weeks ago.
They just don't want a posssible shortage of medical masks to arise because of the millions and millions travelling public transport every day, that's why they stimulating the use of non medical ones in public transport, so that medical workers who are subjected to the virus are assured of medical grade masks.

BTW the purpose of the non medical-grade masks in this matter is not to prevent infection, it's to prevent spreading of the virus.
And for that they do a good job.
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      07-21-2020, 01:46 PM   #252
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COMMENTARY: Masks-for-all for COVID-19 not based on sound data

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-pers...sed-sound-data

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In summary, though we support mask wearing by the general public, we continue to conclude that cloth masks and face coverings are likely to have limited impact on lowering COVID-19 transmission, because they have minimal ability to prevent the emission of small particles, offer limited personal protection with respect to small particle inhalation, and should not be recommended as a replacement for physical distancing or reducing time in enclosed spaces with many potentially infectious people. We are very concerned about messaging that suggests cloth masks or face coverings can replace physical distancing. We also worry that the public doesn't understand the limitations of cloth masks and face coverings when we observe how many people wear their mask under their nose or even under their mouth, remove their masks when talking to someone nearby, or fail to practice physical distancing when wearing a mask.
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While this is not an exhaustive review of masks and respirators as source control and PPE, we made our best effort to locate and review the most relevant studies of laboratory and real-world performance to inform our recommendations. Results from laboratory studies of filter and fit performance inform and support the findings in real-world settings.

Cloth masks are ineffective as source control and PPE, surgical masks have some role to play in preventing emissions from infected patients, and respirators are the best choice for protecting healthcare and other frontline workers, but not recommended for source control. These recommendations apply to pandemic and non-pandemic situations.

Leaving aside the fact that they are ineffective, telling the public to wear cloth or surgical masks could be interpreted by some to mean that people are safe to stop isolating at home. It's too late now for anything but stopping as much person-to-person interaction as possible.

Masks may confuse that message and give people a false sense of security. If masks had been the solution in Asia, shouldn't they have stopped the pandemic before it spread elsewhere?
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Trump wearing mask now!

You people who voted "no" are fucking morons!
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You people who voted "no" are fucking morons!
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You people who voted "no" are fucking morons!
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You scare me.
Hey I wear a mask but I don't like force by public mandate over people taking risk. I have a co worker with serious lung issues and wearing a mask makes breathing harder for him, so when he takes off the mask to avoid passing out I'm not going to shame him for it especially when it pretty clear he taking many procaution to protect himself like constantly washing his hands and was able to dodge being infected while his GF did get the ccp virus
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You scare me.
Hey I wear a mask but I don't like force by public mandate over people taking risk. I have a co worker with serious lung issues and wearing a mask makes breathing harder for him, so when he takes off the mask to avoid passing out I'm not going to shame him for it especially when it pretty clear he taking many procaution to protect himself like constantly washing his hands and was able to dodge being infected while his GF did get the ccp virus
Yea I think you're good guy! You're just too extreme for me sometimes. Have to solve the problem at hand. Mask is our only hope right now. We can't do more lockdowns.
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Our “only hope” of what, exactly?
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Our “only hope” of what, exactly?
Having an impact.
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Seems everyone is taking it more seriously... had a buddy visit some shady strip clubs... you could definitely finger the girls if you wanted but hey at least they were wearing masks.
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Seems everyone is taking it more seriously... had a buddy visit some shady strip clubs... you could definitely finger the girls if you wanted but hey at least they were wearing masks.
They were probably hotter with the masks on anyways, from my expierience.
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Having an impact.
Pretty much all I hear, governors are ripping up the constitution and for some nebulous, intangible “impact”

If someone kills themself, they definitely wouldn’t catch or spread the ‘Rona. They would have to start voting democrat though, which also sucks
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COMMENTARY: Masks-for-all for COVID-19 not based on sound data

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-pers...sed-sound-data
Never understood the outrage over wearing a mask correctly. It's temporary.

Is it effective? Until there's a randomized controlled clinical trial (or several) we'll never know -- but from a risk management standpoint, it makes sense.

The ball was dropped long ago on the messaging leading to the current politicized clusterfuck. The original messaging was telling people what to do rather than educating people on how to mitigate risk.

We have a societal responsibility to do things for the greater good. You choosing to not wear a mask when you have no underlying health condition increases my risk -- which is both selfish by you and unfair to me or society.

Allow the science to develop. Mitigate risk. Go about your life. It's not just about you.
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You choosing to not wear a mask when you have no underlying health condition increases my risk -- which is both selfish by you and unfair to me or society.
Got bad news for you buddy...life isn’t fair
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