[LexxM3]

Originally Posted by Qsilver7

It's easy to get the correct part nbrs for how your BMW is optioned...just use one of the online part database sites and select your model/year etc EXCEPT select EUROPE instead of USA. Go to the 51 VEHICLE TRIM (main group of diagrams) and select the mirror appropriate for how your BMW is optioned (probably #2 & #8).

Once you have the correct 11 digit BMW part nbr for the mirrors...then shop using those part nbrs. You can probably type BMW xx xx x xxx xxx" into a google search (or ebay or Amazon.com) box to find sellers.

https://www.realoem.com/bmw/enUS/sho...41#51167441443

Thank you for that. That's very helpful. But it's perhaps not as "simple" as that. For example, following your steps, selecting EUR and my 04/2019 mfg date, I got a similar page ... but it lists every single variant with either "National version Korea and ..." or "Gulf version and ..." The part number you suggest does appear there, but seeing Korea and Gulf as a requirement without your notes would have probably sent me right back here and/or into continued confusion.

https://www.realoem.com/bmw/enUS/sho...diagId=51_A141

What I did learn for sure if that the description of "aspherical" is "wide-angle", which is not present for USA models.

So still investigating, but thank you!

[Qsilver7]

The "Korea" and "Gulf" states use some of the other part nbrs like #3, #4, & #5. You have to read/answer the question in the supplemental info column. It asks if you're in the Korea or Gulf markets...and if the answer is "YES"...then those are the selections for those countries. If it it list those countries or other option codes (like the driving assistant) and it says NO (and you have that option)...then you would NOT select that part nbr because the answer should be YES if you have that option.

But if you go over to the part nbr column...some of the part nbrs are the same regardless if the answer is yes or no.

And for those that may have missed the reason...it was mentioned early on in the thread that the reason why those mirrors aren't offered in the USA is that the US DOT mandates for a plain mirror on the driver's side and a convex mirror on the passenger side that MUST contain the warning that "OBJECTS IN MIRROR ARE CLOSER THAN THEY APPEAR".

The United States, Canada, Nepal, India, and Saudi Arabia also require this warning on the passenger side mirror...that's why there are specific part nbrs for the Gulf states...that warning is written (in I believe) Arabic.

The info below is from the US DOT document on Rear Visibility Enforcement: https://www.nhtsa.gov/sites/nhtsa.do...-final_tag.pdf

[edtreo]

Originally Posted by Marty in NY

No video but its like Fast400 has first mentioned...

1. Get in your drivers seat, adjust it to your liking, two hands on the wheel, arms slightly bent and then set the memory so you can always get to that position again
2. Place your face against the drivers window so you are looking at the drivers side view mirror. Basically your head is just kissing the glass.
3. Adjust the drivers side mirror horizontally so you can see down the drivers side of your car a little, not a lot.
4. Adjust the vertical position of the mirror to your liking but you will need to be able to pickup a low height sports car as well as a semi truck.
5. Now place your head directly above the center console and do the same for the passenger side mirror.
6. With those adjustments, get into the center lane of a three lane freeway and while sitting in the normal driving position, two hands on the wheel, arms slightly bent, simply turn your head to look out both mirrors and make any final, minor adjustments. Try not to lean left or right when looking out the mirrors.
7. You will want to see the same car in your rear view mirror that you do in your side view mirrors. You will not see 100% of the car in both mirrors at the same time.

For final adjustment, I would add that you have someone walk around the car and you should not miss the sight of the person using just your mirror.

[BMW_Cyprus]

Wonder why BMW does not introduce the side view camera like in the etron. Yes, not cost practical but one more luxury for those who want to lighten their pockets

[Fast400]

Looks like the DOT needs to step out of the 60s

[edtreo]

Originally Posted by Fast400

Looks like the DOT needs to step out of the 60s

Yup, DOT is archaic. That and the laser headlight and a other safety feature....

[edtreo]

I got a price of $107.84. Not bad. Probably worth upgrading.

https://www.getbmwparts.com/oem-part...37-51167291219

https://www.getbmwparts.com/oem-part...37-51167291220

[LexxM3]

Just wanted to leave a sincere note of gratitude for the OP Fast400 for reminding me/us of this and Qsilver7 for the help with part numbers. Found a pair (driver and passenger) on eBay in Spain, got them in last week, installed today. Absolutely massive visibility improvement on the driver side, and lesser non-trivial improvement on the passenger side in the outside corner. Everything functional, but learned that it's not just the mirror on the passenger side that doesn't have the auto-dimming function, it is not even wired for it (but heating and blind spot lights work fine on both sides and driver side has the auto-dimming like stock).

For those that frankly take a bit of an arrogant attitude that "you don't need this if mirrors are adjusted right", well, sorry, but you're just wrong and US DOT is wrong (screwing us Canadians in the process as we tend to get what US gets) — these aspherical mirrors are life changing. Seriously.

[Alan l.]

Originally Posted by LexxM3

For those that frankly take a bit of an arrogant attitude that "you don't need this if mirrors are adjusted right", well, sorry, but you're just wrong and US DOT is wrong (screwing us Canadians in the process as we tend to get what US gets) — these aspherical mirrors are life changing. Seriously.

Couldn't agree more.

[Alan l.]

Originally Posted by LexxM3

Just wanted to leave a sincere note of gratitude for the OP Fast400 for reminding me/us of this and Qsilver7 for the help with part numbers. Found a pair (driver and passenger) on eBay in Spain, got them in last week, installed today. Absolutely massive visibility improvement on the driver side, and lesser non-trivial improvement on the passenger side in the outside corner. Everything functional, but learned that it's not just the mirror on the passenger side that doesn't have the auto-dimming function, it is not even wired for it (but heating and blind spot lights work fine on both sides and driver side has the auto-dimming like stock).

For those that frankly take a bit of an arrogant attitude that "you don't need this if mirrors are adjusted right", well, sorry, but you're just wrong and US DOT is wrong (screwing us Canadians in the process as we tend to get what US gets) — these aspherical mirrors are life changing. Seriously.

Do you have the part numbers handy by any chance? I want to make sure i get the correct ones for cars with the driver assist pro/dimming/heated functions. When i had my F15/F85 those euro mirrors were life changing and i need to do the same asap for the incoming F95

[LexxM3]

Originally Posted by Alan l.

Do you have the part numbers handy by any chance? I want to make sure i get the correct ones for cars with the driver assist pro/dimming/heated functions. When i had my F15/F85 those euro mirrors were life changing and i need to do the same asap for the incoming F95

Qsilver7 provided the best guidance and considering there are multiple variants, it's worthwhile to verify yourself, but ... for my Canadian LHD 04/2019-manufactured G05 X5 with dimming (driver side only), blind spot detection (both sides), and heated mirrors (both sides), the equivalent aspherical mirrors are:

- driver side: 51167441443
- passenger side (what I got): 51169491786
- passenger side (best match): 51169491790

The difference for passenger side between "what I got" and "best match" is the lack of the "objects are closer than they appear" writing on "what I got".

[Alan l.]

^^ Thank you. Just order the same set on ebay for $225 shipped. Hopefully it doesn't take a month to get here. My last three cars all had euro mirrors and its hard to go back to the standard US one

[Qsilver7]

Originally Posted by LexxM3

Just wanted to leave a sincere note of gratitude — these aspherical mirrors are life changing. Seriously.

Ah yes...it appears you have seen the revelation! I'm glad you were able to find a set that works for your application.

[GTF]

Originally Posted by edtreo

I got a price of $107.84. Not bad. Probably worth upgrading.

https://www.getbmwparts.com/oem-part...37-51167291219

https://www.getbmwparts.com/oem-part...37-51167291220

Ordered, but they cancelled as not available. Can someone post alternate link for LH aspherical mirror? (# 51-16-7-291-219).
Thanks!

Or same under alternate stk no.?

[Qsilver7]

Originally Posted by GTF

Ordered, but they cancelled as not available. Can someone post alternate link for LH aspherical mirror? (# 51-16-7-291-219).
Thanks!

Or same under alternate stk no.?

Just to verify...you do know that the mirror you’re requesting doesn’t dim nor does it have the blind spot feature, right? It is only heated and wide angle. I didn’t want to proceed with other suggestions and you’d be expecting a mirror that is heated, dims, has blind spot, and is wide angle.

If you scroll back up to post #23...in my quote to Lexx...there’s a link to realoem.com. Click that link and then click on the part number that you tried to order. This will take you to another page that lists other
BMWs that use the same part...but most importantly...it will list other part Nbr’s that are retroactively exchangeable.

Copy then paste this other number (ie “BMW xx xx x xxx xxx”) into a google/internet search box to find vendors that may be selling that part number. Don’t forget to try eBay & amazon.com (for either part Nbr’s) because you may find sellers in Europe that still have the mirrors (some may be used & some may be new) especially since they are more plentiful over there.

Good luck. Basically its simple to find the superseded part Nbr’s using any of the online part database sites like realoem.com or bimmercat.com.

[Alan l.]

Thanks to you guys i just got my set from ebay. Looks 100% identical to my stock F95 X5M mirrors with dimming/blind spot monitoring except the new one doesn't have any writing on the passenger side which is even better.

The part numbers are:
driver side: 51167441443
passenger side 51169491786

Paid 225 shipped on ebay and took about a week to get here from Europe. 5 minute install for both sides.

Alan

[Qsilver7]

...hope you enjoy the view.

[Frenetic]

That was one thing that kind of surprised me versus my previous car: how small the side-view mirrors are on this vehicle. My Audi S7 had a lot longer/wider mirrors that offered a larger view.

I was in a defensive driving class and one thing the instructor mentioned was that most people set their mirrors incorrectly. The side-view mirrors should be used specifically for the blind spot and not for the rear. I was taught the complete opposite and adjusted the mirrors to see more to the rear, positioned so I can barely see the body of the car, but he said that was wrong. You should tilt your mirrors away from the car, directly into your blind spot and you shouldn't be seeing any part of your car in those mirrors.

I adjusted my mirrors so they are tilted away from the vehicle more and it made all the difference; there's no more blind spot. It was a little disconcerting at first--and it took a little while to get use to the mirror positioning--but it's so much better. Try it out for yourself. Adjust the mirrors out more away from the vehicle directly into that blind spot. You should NOT be seeing any of your car in the mirrors.

[Qsilver7]

^^^ even still...you won't have the viewable area that the wide angle mirrors provide. Regardless if you have your driver's side mirror set correctly where you can't see the side of the car...or if you have it set incorrectly and can see the side of the car...it only offers an approx 17° viewable area when looking in the plain 1:1 ratio DS mirror. The wide angle (aspherical) mirror on the driver's side offers a 45° viewable area.

The increased viewing area is what is gained by going with the wide angle mirrors. And its easy to dismiss this gained viewing area if you've never used them...but most people that do...it becomes clear as to why their usage gets extolled. Its not just about the "blind spot" ...its the blind spot and everything else you can see that makes them safer.

[Frenetic]

Yes, but properly adjusted, you really aren’t missing anything with a normal mirror. Any car to the side is either captured in the mirror or directly visible without having to look over your shoulder.

Try it out for yourself. Tilt them out way more than you would normally or feel comfortably doing and see for yourself. You’ll eventually settle in on an optimum position, but again, the key is to forget about trying to see behind you in those mirrors as that is not their primary intent.

[eagle_bmw]

Originally Posted by Frenetic

Yes, but properly adjusted, you really aren't missing anything with a normal mirror. Any car to the side is either captured in the mirror or directly visible without having to look over your shoulder.

Try it out for yourself. Tilt them out way more than you would normally or feel comfortably doing and see for yourself. You'll eventually settle in on an optimum position, but again, the key is to forget about trying to see behind you in those mirrors as that is not their primary intent.

I'm actually setup like so and can tell that the blind spots when driving are eliminated.

The main issue for me is the blind spots at the sides of the car, critical when backing up in tight spaces. I have to lean to the left and to the right/center to see both. So I can appreciate what the replacement mirror offers.

[Alan l.]

Just think there is a reason why the rest of the world gets the wide angle mirrors...

I've tried the whole angling the mirror all the way out to eliminate the blind spots on my last two x5's and it simply isn't nearly as good as these non US spec wide angle mirror. Being able to just catch the edge of your car AND still see everything helps you place where you are in relation to the other cars around you. Also if you move your standard US mirrors all the way out you start to lose the ability to see if someone is coming up directly behind you at a fast rate of speed and cut out into the lane you want to be in.

Once you've tried them you can't ever go back. Its like comparing 720P vs 4K TV. Nobody is going to ever say 720p is better...

Alan