[Ilyam5]

Its just going to mess with allocations. Just like the new M3 - one will have to wait for a specific BMW comp allocation vs base M
More PIA for consumer.
It totally messed up M3 game. One has to wait for base manual allocation instead of just ordering m3 and choosing a package or a transmission.
It will flip as soon as AWD is available for M3, the comp allocations are going to be rare.
So far residuals are the same for comp and non comp. but it gives them a flexibility to mess with it too.
Speaking of residuals -
It is the first month residuals changes dramatically in more than a year.
Strange thing is they dumped it for SUVs wile upping for M3 sedan.
I thought the SUVs are a hot commodity now and people will pay high dollar even for used ones (SUVs are usually not abused)
Who will pay 57% for used m3 when most of them are tracked? very confusing.

[Alan l.]

Originally Posted by Ilyam5

Its just going to mess with allocations. Just like the new M3 - one will have to wait for a specific BMW comp allocation vs base M
More PIA for consumer.
It totally messed up M3 game. One has to wait for base manual allocation instead of just ordering m3 and choosing a package or a transmission.
It will flip as soon as AWD is available for M3, the comp allocations are going to be rare.
So far residuals are the same for comp and non comp. but it gives them a flexibility to mess with it too.
Speaking of residuals -
It is the first month residuals changes dramatically in more than a year.
Strange thing is they dumped it for SUVs wile upping for M3 sedan.
I thought the SUVs are a hot commodity now and people will pay high dollar even for used ones (SUVs are usually not abused)
Who will pay 57% for used m3 when most of them are tracked? very confusing.

Just looking at the past BMW's X5 line ups always had lower residuals compared to their other models. I chalked it up to simply because "they can" because they sell so well all year round people will buy them regardless where as coupes and sedans needs more of a incentive to sell. The X5M residual has been on a steady decline ever since covid started....

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by TheBingoBalls

I'm confused, hasn't it always been like this? The only "Competition Package" I remember is on the E90/E92 M3, every other time the "Competition" was used has been it's own model:

M2 Competition
X3/X4 M Competition
M5 Competition
M8 Competition
X5/X6 M Competition

All are their own trim and not a package.

This doesn't bug or affect me since everyone is just following each other (AMG-S vs. M Competition vs. Audi Sport Performance) but it's confusing when this comes out stating BMW is going to do something that they are already doing.

It started with the E46 M3, where a group of options were packaged together to make the "competition package". IIRC, a "competition package" was offered on the E46 M3, E9X M3, F1X M5/6, F8X M3/4. It is a subtle but important distinction, in the way that previously it was an option added to the base car. Now, the "competition" is a distinct model designation.

[shimmy23]

I can't afford anything with competition or comp package slapped on it. So none of this matters to me.

[Alan l.]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

It started with the E46 M3, where a group of options were packaged together to make the "competition package". IIRC, a "competition package" was offered on the E46 M3, E9X M3, F1X M5/6, F8X M3/4. It is a subtle but important distinction, in the way that previously it was an option added to the base car. Now, the "competition" is a distinct model designation.

I think the confusion also is that for MY 2020 this was how BMW had it. X5M and X5M Competition as the model. They changed it for MY2021 and made it a option package instead but now reverting back to the way it was. Either way i'm good with my MY2020

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by Alan l.

I think the confusion also is that for MY 2020 this was how BMW had it. X5M and X5M Competition as the model. They changed it for MY2021 and made it a option package instead but now reverting back to the way it was. Either way i'm good with my MY2020

If that is the case, then it is indeed confusing and inconsistent .

[Game]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

It is no flip flop, it is consistent with the strategy that was announced several years back. Competition is now a model designation as part of the hierarchy of ///M cars:

base -> competition -> CS -> CSL

The M2 is the oddball here, where the base was not produced alongside the competition when the later was launched, and this simply has to do with emissions compliance (the N55 was too old).

There is a flip flop. In years prior we had "competition" models (F8x). Then in 2019 BMW stated they were going away with vehicles being designated as a "competition" model and were going to just have a "competition" package available (X3M, X5M, X6M). Now they're going back on that.

edit - Sorry looks like someone covered this.

[DgjoX6M2016]

IMO awful idea. This expansion of choice will lead to customer dissatisfaction as you aren't sure if you bought the right set of wheels. The segment buying the 'lower end' M non-comp models won't feel good about their purchase. You may even have comp buyers dissatisfied if they feel like they bought wrong model. It will hurt more than help in long run. It's fairly simple consumer choice/behavior economics. Been proven out empirically and even recognized by Nobel economics (thayer/sunstein).

Example. I almost pulled trigger on a new F96. It was 'just' an M. So 120k for an inferior M, less power and equipment ? I ended up not buying anything and am happy with my F86. F86 was only primary choice at the time. No reason for me to be unhappy.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by Game

There is a flip flop. In years prior we had "competition" models (F8x). Then in 2019 BMW stated they were going away with vehicles being designated as a "competition" model and were going to just have a "competition" package available (X3M, X5M, X6M). Now they're going back on that.

edit - Sorry looks like someone covered this.

No, there were never F8X M3/4 competition models. It was always an options package on the F8X M3/4 (ZCP option code in the USA). Look it up for yourself in various model year pricing guides. F87 M2 was one of the first to have a distinct model designation for the "competition".

[mvigod]

I'm confused as well here.

What is the difference between the two?

Which one is better?

[Game]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

No, there were never F8X M3/4 competition models. It was always an options package on the F8X M3/4 (ZCP option code in the USA). Look it up for yourself in various model year pricing guides. F87 M2 was one of the first to have a distinct model designation for the "competition".

You're right, idk how I figured that. It's still too early for my brain to be working properly.

[JTO24]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

No, there were never F8X M3/4 competition models. It was always an options package on the F8X M3/4 (ZCP option code in the USA). Look it up for yourself in various model year pricing guides. F87 M2 was one of the first to have a distinct model designation for the "competition".

Technically the F87 is an F8x model

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by JTO24

Technically the F87 is an F8x model

You wont catch me at that game . That is why I was specific about F8X M3/4 .

[JTO24]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

You wont catch me at that game . That is why I was specific about F8X M3/4 .

I know I know to be honest, I think you caught me in that game once before

[xmanpro]

So confusing.

[SoCali E36]

Originally Posted by MrOhnoez

If I had a nickel with how much stuff BMW would flip around between trainings.
Really gets confusing when trying to relay the info to customers.

I feel the same way. I'm the guy that everyone at the store comes to for product knowledge and even I can't keep up with the constant changes, recalls, and option shortages.

[xcusem3]

Originally Posted by Ilyam5

Its just going to mess with allocations. Just like the new M3 - one will have to wait for a specific BMW comp allocation vs base M
More PIA for consumer.
It totally messed up M3 game. One has to wait for base manual allocation instead of just ordering m3 and choosing a package or a transmission.
It will flip as soon as AWD is available for M3, the comp allocations are going to be rare.
So far residuals are the same for comp and non comp. but it gives them a flexibility to mess with it too.
Speaking of residuals -
It is the first month residuals changes dramatically in more than a year.
Strange thing is they dumped it for SUVs wile upping for M3 sedan.
I thought the SUVs are a hot commodity now and people will pay high dollar even for used ones (SUVs are usually not abused)
Who will pay 57% for used m3 when most of them are tracked? very confusing.

Hahahahaha you're dreaming if you think M3 owners actually track their cars!!

Honestly, 99 out of 100 M3/4 owners have never even stepped foot on a track, never mind actually drove it!

[SHARMAATL]

Wouldn't this start impacting leasing though?

If you again have two separate models (M and M Comp) instead of an added trim, don't we have two models, where the M Comp would necessitate a lower residual compared to the M?

I might be wrong, and I hope I am. But, that seems to be the only answer as to why this decision is made.

[Longboarder]

Originally Posted by shimmy23

I can't afford anything with competition or comp package slapped on it. So none of this matters to me.

Anything with comp package slapped on is not worth the money on most M cars anyway. Just a profit margin play by BMW. The only time it makes sense is if there is a significant drivetrain modification.

[YolkyPalky]

So if today someone were to buy an X5MC from a BMW Dealer lot, is it somehow going to be different than future deliveries of X5MC models of the same model year (2021)?

[keylime503]

Originally Posted by YolkyPalky

So if today someone were to buy an X5MC from a BMW Dealer lot, is it somehow going to be different than future deliveries of X5MC models of the same model year (2021)?

I think the point is that there is no MY2021 X5MC. A quick check on bmwusa.com confirms this. No competition model of any kind other than M2C.

Now, go into the "build your own tool" on the X3M or X5M and you'll see that on the options page there is a $7-9k "Competition Package" option alongside stuff like "Executive package". So for MY2021 only for some reason, they went back to the old system where it's just a package and not a separate model.

[YolkyPalky]

Originally Posted by keylime503

I think the point is that there is no MY2021 X5MC. A quick check on bmwusa.com confirms this. No competition model of any kind other than M2C.

Now, go into the "build your own tool" on the X3M or X5M and you'll see that on the options page there is a $7-9k "Competition Package" option alongside stuff like "Executive package". So for MY2021 only for some reason, they went back to the old system where it's just a package and not a separate model.

I guess the real question, is this just a matter of semantics? Call it a "competition package" or a "competition model", would they be the same vehicle no matter what it's called?

Perhaps this has more to do with production scheduling where they need to allocate specifically for "Competitions", instead of offering it as a package where they can't control how many Competition options are ordered for the Base X5M allocation, for example.