[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by BlkGS

My point was more that a 40i with the M sport stuff, a like for like in equipment with the M50i, would be closer in weight. People make it sound like the N63 is some highly heavy addon over the B58, and while it's certainly heavier being a significantly larger motor, the motor isn't so much heavier than it offsets the extra power to affect performance or anything like that.

Yes, adding some things to the 40i will close the gap. Either way, the "extra weight" of the M50i should have no meaningful effect on performance.

[Photographer918]

Originally Posted by BlkGS

An M50i is considerably.quicker than a 40i in real life too, not just on paper. I will give you that if you're putting around, ecopro mode,music blasting, yeah, you won't notice the difference. But if you start to use the power, you will notice it, and if you're putting around town and perceptive, you'll notice the extra torque from the displacement.

We get that you like your 40i, but it's not sportier, and it's noticeably slower.

Also, the 500 pound weight difference includes all the upgrades from an sdrive40i to a an M50i. So M sport brakes, suspension, 4x4, etc... the V8 is about 250 pounds heavier than the I6.

You keep telling yourself that about the weight difference - but 500 lbs is still 500 lbs f(comparing the weight of an xdrive 40i and M50i) and I still don’t buy that you’re going to “feel” a half a second. Measure it? Sure. See it if you’re racing? Sure. Feel it? Doubt it, unless you race cars for a living…..

All I’m saying is that they’re totally different driving experiences/feels - which I suspect you agree with……

[BlkGS]

Originally Posted by Photographer918

You keep telling yourself that about the weight difference - but 500 lbs is still 500 lbs f(comparing the weight of an xdrive 40i and M50i) and I still don’t buy that you’re going to “feel” a half a second. Measure it? Sure. See it if you’re racing? Sure. Feel it? Doubt it, unless you race cars for a living…..

All I’m saying is that they’re totally different driving experiences/feels - which I suspect you agree with……

You're gonna feel the over a second difference more than the sub 500 pounds. We are talking 5 seconds to 60 in the 40i vs under 4 in the M50i, and more like mid 3s or less in an M60i or X5M. You're gonna feel that.

[hiluca]

Originally Posted by Photographer918

You keep telling yourself that about the weight difference - but 500 lbs is still 500 lbs f(comparing the weight of an xdrive 40i and M50i) and I still don’t buy that you’re going to “feel” a half a second. Measure it? Sure. See it if you’re racing? Sure. Feel it? Doubt it, unless you race cars for a living…..

All I’m saying is that they’re totally different driving experiences/feels - which I suspect you agree with……

currently have a 45e and about to get a 50e.

when i did my test drive with the 50e in august, the extra power it had over the 45e was very noticable. the "feel it" part comes down to the G forces and you can definetly feel that when a car is +0.5sec faster (which is quite a substantial bump in acceleration within the same generation 45e=5.6 / 50e=4.8) .

[Francolargo]

Originally Posted by tooloud10

Wouldn't non-owners actually be less biased when providing advice about whether to buy one in light of the reported issues?

I would say that non-owners are less qualified. There are those who had issues, perhaps changing from the 50e, and there are those who have not had problems. Both can represent actual experience while never-owners are only projecting.

Regardless of one's luck with their reliability, I would offer the opinion that changing to the 50e incorporates an increased involvement with the car as well as changed expectations in driving dynamics. Forty electric miles can be plenty, or not. As was suggested earlier, a home-based level 2 charger is really the key to maximizing the potential of the 50e. Do you want to plug it in every night?

[eluded]

C&D has it nearly a second quicker (.9 seconds) in the quarter and traps 8MPH higher and .7 seconds faster to 60. Very nice.

Originally Posted by hiluca

currently have a 45e and about to get a 50e.

when i did my test drive with the 50e in august, the extra power it had over the 45e was very noticable. the "feel it" part comes down to the G forces and you can definetly feel that when a car is +0.5sec faster (which is quite a substantial bump in acceleration within the same generation 45e=5.6 / 50e=4.8) .

[dds007]

I’m coming from 21 x5MC into a 24 m60i and I do regret it. Just doesn’t seem to do it for me like the M did.

[TexAg91]

Originally Posted by tooloud10

Wouldn't non-owners actually be less biased when providing advice about whether to buy one in light of the reported issues?

No, they have no experience in one to base their opinion on. They are biased based on forum posts.

[Photographer918]

Originally Posted by eelnoraa

I like the concept of actually sitting down and do the math. But also should be more realistic about numbers. The difference in opex cannot be $4k per year. The absolute opex for x5m is probably $4k per year. We actually don’t spend that much on gas annually. And I doubt insurance between x5m and 50e is much difference. 50e doesn’t cost $0 to operate. Let’s say best case 20% saving in opex per year, maybe $1k saving per year is more like the case. I think it is even an optimistic estimate

I consider all costs - acquisition minus residual value, insurance, repairs and maintenance, fuel, registration fees - as part of Opex for the car. I sincerely doubt that when totaled and divided by miles driven, that you’re going to run any X5 for less than $4,000 a year - unless you’re looking at 2020, where I literally drove 200 miles a month for most of the year. Best I’ve been able to achieve in any vehicle was $0.50/mile and that was my ‘02 Tahoe that I put 212,000 miles in between 2002-2014…..

[eelnoraa]

Originally Posted by Photographer918

I consider all costs - acquisition minus residual value, insurance, repairs and maintenance, fuel, registration fees - as part of Opex for the car. I sincerely doubt that when totaled and divided by miles driven, that you’re going to run any X5 for less than $4,000 a year - unless you’re looking at 2020, where I literally drove 200 miles a month for most of the year. Best I’ve been able to achieve in any vehicle was $0.50/mile and that was my ‘02 Tahoe that I put 212,000 miles in between 2002-2014…..

I think you are completely reading my comment out of context. The number in discussion, $4000 is the difference, the delta between x5m and 50e. not absolute value. To be exact, the whole discussion is OP is to trade in a 2 year old x5m for a new 50e.

If you count acquisition-residual as part of opex, $4/year get your a Toyota RAV4, if even that. . Even my 2004 e46, which I bought for about $45k, owning it for 20 years now, with your method, it average out more than $4k/years

[JoeAyalaM]

I would keep the M if I could pay for all the related costs or trade it for a 40i, but not a 50e, not until after they are reliable.,