[CalAcacian]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

But the Merc's Party-Mode and the Ferrari Jet-Mode was 100% messy cheating

The Merc's party mode wasn't cheating though... the ban on engine modes was a move by the FIA to prevent all teams from hiding potential engine mode violations from the FIA in different engine maps.

That's completely different by the Ferrari oil burning.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by CalAcacian

The Merc's party mode wasn't cheating though... the ban on engine modes was a move by the FIA to prevent all teams from hiding potential engine mode violations from the FIA in different engine maps.

That's completely different by the Ferrari oil burning.

Well mate , actually it was a smart way to cheat in the grey zone .
As far as I know Red-Bull didn't had a Party-Mode or a Jet-Mode .
Some call it F1 inventions ... Of course !

The 2019 Merc's tire cooling system was also one of them .
Today It's the Mercs DAS . Of course also FIA approved .
What's next ?

One thing is for sure , as you know it makes the Merc's a lot faster than the others !
90 % of the races is a "Merc vs Merc" race ...Actually a GOAT and a grandma with lack of racecraft racing each other !
The million dollar question is : Is it fair for the other teams and drivers in slower cars ?

[CalAcacian]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

The million dollar question is : Is it fair for the other teams and drivers in slower cars ?

I have to disagree with you there, the million dollar question is: Gentlemen, a short view back to the past. Thirty years ago, Niki Lauda told us ‘take a monkey, place him into the cockpit and he is able to drive the car.’ Thirty years later, Sebastian told us ‘I had to start my car like a computer, it’s very complicated.’ And Nico Rosberg said that during the race – I don’t remember what race - he pressed the wrong button on the wheel. Question for you both: is Formula One driving today too complicated with twenty and more buttons on the wheel, are you too much under effort, under pressure? What are your wishes for the future concerning the technical programme during the race? Less buttons, more? Or less and more communication with your engineers?

Jokes aside, I'm hoping that Red Bull buying out the Honda engine IP means that they can start to compete with Mercedes, but I'm not hopeful.

I wish they would just bring the new engine formula up to 2022 instead of 2026. The lack of competition at the front is getting old.

[5.M0NSTER]

Originally Posted by M5theonlyone

Isn't it past your bedtime? your mummy will not be pleased your still up..well you did say your relentless

So I woke up today, checked the stats, and HAM still has more points than VER, and so does BOT. So new day, but facts still remain. See, a statement backed up by facts. Can you do that?

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

You didn't watched the race !

I did actually, just to hear ALB in a braking voice complain that "They are racing me SO hard." My wife looked up and asked: "What did he just say? It's literally his f&^% job!!"

So who do you think will be replacing ALB next?

[SenorFunkyPants]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

the Ferrari Jet-Mode was 100% messy cheating !
Probably you think that was good for the sport ?

I guess you failed to notice that the Honda PU was also down on power this year after the FIA reset the fuel flow regs.
And who can forget Red Bulls cheating bendy wings saga.
Playing the cheating card only works when the team your driver works for is totally clean and always has been.

[M5theonlyone]

If anyone's playing a cheating card that gets passed it's Merc for sure.

[SenorFunkyPants]

Originally Posted by M5theonlyone

If anyone's playing a cheating card that gets passed it's Merc for sure.

[yco]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

A re-badge HONDA PU will be 100% FIA legal ...
But the Merc's Party-Mode and the Ferrari Jet-Mode was 100% messy cheating !
Probably you think that was good for the sport ?

By this the whole 2019 WDC ranking was a joke with false numbers !
Approved by the FIA !!!

mate i didnt say anything concerning your question.. party mode is not cheating.. not all 1.6L engines on traffic have the same performance.. power, rev band power levels, fuel consumption etc is not the same.. very simple terms some can stand/create higher boosts in safe levels.. you know all this.. as long as parameters like fuel flow, oil consumption etc. is in the regulations.. its just better efficiency.. Ferrari's case is totally different.. FIA hide the reason.. even if they re not it creates suspicion.. and more likely there were some tricks just not disclosed for F1 and Ferrari's fame probably..

Red Bull engine and Red Bull staying in F1 is the good thing for the sport.. Red Bull was in a political fight a bit like Merc' is cheating and stuff even if there is nothing to prove they re cheating or something.. water is calmer now but that made a tension between Merc' and Red Bull.. next year there ll be 4 teams with Merc' engine + Renault is like a badly ended marriage with Red Bull.. its like half of the teams can say no if they want and they have their own reasons.. but they wont say no cause it wont be good for anyone in long term..

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by 5.M0NSTER

I did actually, just to hear ALB in a braking voice complain that "They are racing me SO hard." My wife looked up and asked: "What did he just say? It's literally his f&^% job!!"

So who do you think will be replacing ALB next?

Albon's radiator was hit by a rock . Radiator was damaged and he got PU overheating by the lack of cooling .
To save his HONDA PU , Albon had to retire ...

Replacing Albon won't be easy . 52% percent of the Red-Bull shares are Thai !
Albon's situation at Red-Bull is actually a political and financial situation .

One name to replace Albon ? (next season if it's possible) is NICO

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by yco

mate i didnt say anything concerning your question.. party mode is not cheating.. not all 1.6L engines on traffic have the same performance.. power, rev band power levels, fuel consumption etc is not the same.. very simple terms some can stand/create higher boosts in safe levels.. you know all this.. as long as parameters like fuel flow, oil consumption etc. is in the regulations.. its just better efficiency.. Ferrari's case is totally different.. FIA hide the reason.. even if they re not it creates suspicion.. and more likely there were some tricks just not disclosed for F1 and Ferrari's fame probably..

Red Bull engine and Red Bull staying in F1 is the good thing for the sport.. Red Bull was in a political fight a bit like Merc' is cheating and stuff even if there is nothing to prove they re cheating or something.. water is calmer now but that made a tension between Merc' and Red Bull.. next year there ll be 4 teams with Merc' engine + Renault is like a badly ended marriage with Red Bull.. its like half of the teams can say no if they want and they have their own reasons.. but they wont say no cause it wont be good for anyone in long term..

Mate look in my post above in #288 : I was talking about the smart "GREY ZONE" !
It's there ! There in that grey zone were all the messy cheating happens !

As you know the FIA = Financial speculation .
The FIA s@cks mate . Someone should ban the FIA !
Meanwhile the FIA is 100% responsible for the boring races of the last 6 seasons !

Jean Todt ! Give me a break !!!

[SenorFunkyPants]

Straight from the Schumacher playbook....The Verstappens will insist on any Albon replacement not being too quick.

[M5theonlyone]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Albon's radiator was hit by a rock . Radiator was damaged and he got PU overheating by the lack of cooling .
To save his HONDA PU , Albon had to retire ...

Replacing Albon won't be easy . 52% percent of the Red-Bull shares are Thai !
Albon's situation at Red-Bull is actually a political and financial situation .

One name to replace Albon ? (next season if it's possible) is NICO

Yes I read that Hulk is an option and he drives well after a lay off.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by M5theonlyone

If anyone's playing a cheating card that gets passed it's Merc for sure.

My friend spot on ! I couldn't agree more !

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by M5theonlyone

Yes I read that Hulk is an option and he drives well after a lay off.

Exactly my friend

[M5theonlyone]

Originally Posted by SenorFunkyPants

150+hp doesn't come from a split turbo,DAS passed and tyre cooling passed so as you read already Todt has black colour under pants as well as red

[SenorFunkyPants]

Originally Posted by M5theonlyone

150+hp doesn't come from a split turbo,DAS passed and tyre cooling passed so as you read already Todt has black colour under pants as well as red

So you really think that Merc has 150 extra BHP....seriously?...if so then I want some of whatever you are smoking.
Everyone is free to add DAS their cars and copy whatever tyre cooling system Merc is using.
If its allowed in the regs then its legal.
Having a better (built to the regulations) engine than your competitors isn't cheating.
Now Red Bull designing and using flexible front and rear wings...that was against the regulations and was cheating.

Spot the difference...cheating is when you deliberately break the rules to gain an advantage.
Being better at building an engine within the regulations isn't cheating.

[M5theonlyone]

Got to fix a leaking roof now, wish it was as easy as winning a race for Merc with the eyes shut

[5.M0NSTER]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Replacing Albon won't be easy . 52% percent of the Red-Bull shares are Thai !
Albon's situation at Red-Bull is actually a political and financial situation .

One name to replace Albon ? (next season if it's possible) is NICO

It would be great to see Nico back again, in something better than a Renault. I think he deserves another shot.

[5.M0NSTER]

Originally Posted by SenorFunkyPants

So you really think that Merc has 150 extra BHP....seriously?...if so then I want some of whatever you are smoking.
Everyone is free to add DAS their cars and copy whatever tyre cooling system Merc is using.
If its allowed in the regs then its legal.
Having a better (built to the regulations) engine than your competitors isn't cheating.
Now Red Bull designing and using flexible front and rear wings...that was against the regulations and was cheating.

Spot the difference...cheating is when you deliberately break the rules to gain an advantage.
Being better at building an engine within the regulations isn't cheating.

Careful now, you're using logical deduction. Perhaps if you find links showing what others think.

[MKSixer]

Originally Posted by CalAcacian

I have to disagree with you there, the million dollar question is: Gentlemen, a short view back to the past. Thirty years ago, Niki Lauda told us ‘take a monkey, place him into the cockpit and he is able to drive the car.’ Thirty years later, Sebastian told us ‘I had to start my car like a computer, it’s very complicated.’ And Nico Rosberg said that during the race – I don’t remember what race - he pressed the wrong button on the wheel. Question for you both: is Formula One driving today too complicated with twenty and more buttons on the wheel, are you too much under effort, under pressure? What are your wishes for the future concerning the technical programme during the race? Less buttons, more? Or less and more communication with your engineers?

Jokes aside, I'm hoping that Red Bull buying out the Honda engine IP means that they can start to compete with Mercedes, but I'm not hopeful.

I wish they would just bring the new engine formula up to 2022 instead of 2026. The lack of competition at the front is getting old.

Can you repeat the question, please?

[MKSixer]

Originally Posted by M5theonlyone

150+hp doesn't come from a split turbo,DAS passed and tyre cooling passed so as you read already Todt has black colour under pants as well as red

Originally Posted by SenorFunkyPants

So you really think that Merc has 150 extra BHP....seriously?...if so then I want some of whatever you are smoking.
Everyone is free to add DAS their cars and copy whatever tyre cooling system Merc is using.
If its allowed in the regs then its legal.
Having a better (built to the regulations) engine than your competitors isn't cheating.
Now Red Bull designing and using flexible front and rear wings...that was against the regulations and was cheating.

Spot the difference...cheating is when you deliberately break the rules to gain an advantage.
Being better at building an engine within the regulations isn't cheating.

I find the speculation about Mercedes cheating to be hilarious. Looking at the demographic of Mercedes owners, the risk averse nature of the board, and the downside risk to the brand that may result from cheating, ANYONE who has a modicum of the knowledge of corporate governance would know that it won't happen.

Now let's look at the demographic of a Red Bull customer and their target audience: Red Bull target customer segment represent busy individuals who are overly active in their personal and professional lives and who have are fascinated by extreme sports. Red Bull can, has, and will tolerate cheating. It may actually enhance the brand.

Cheers-mk

[FuzzyPeaches]

Originally Posted by M5theonlyone

150+hp doesn't come from a split turbo,DAS passed and tyre cooling passed so as you read already Todt has black colour under pants as well as red

Since we're leaving stuff here....

https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/64680...-the-w11-.html

"Honda is closest to Mercedes when it comes to pure power. The engine manufacturer is 28 HP behind. Renault now lags 37 HP, while Ferrari has 42 less HP to use than Mercedes."