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Can your hired guns send a 'demand letter'? If they see you have representation maybe they will move this along
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It seems likely the undervoltage is due to a components on the rail that is either failed or partly failed, has a very low resistance. So not a "short" but enough to sink the voltage, and possibly create a fire risk as well.
Or, perhaps, there's still moisture from your very first problem -- if moisture has gone deep into a harness or a connector and created some corrosion it could be endless and hard to find. And you'll need a monkey to unplug everything in turn to try to isolate the problem. no "remote programming" will help.
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See the below two emails for what I got back from the dealership. I am still convinced there is something amiss to let water/moisture into modules. I don't know if this is accurate or just a superficial excuse for an unknown failure. I'm very careful with my car, washing, detailing, etc. I've done the same for all of my cars and never had an issue. There must be some way moisture is getting in and certainly, other modules must be affected if they are on the same circuit. Even with what they said that doesn't explain why other areas of the car were having huge issues outside the BDC and Telematics units.
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Edit: it rains harder here than the water pressure from how I wash the car. While I appreciate the concern, it's not the issue, so let's move on now
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It's funny because one such module is under the car so I'm wondering what else isn't sealed properly now. I'm fine leaving them, I think the question needed to be asked and answered so thank you!
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I really appreciate you sharing here, it has me wondering if these latest generation luxury SUVs ( all brands ) are just too fragile electronically to be used as SUVs the way I use mine and how I must be able to rely on them. I’m even contemplating putting the money in a no interest bank account aka 4Runner TRDPro if our current 2013 Cayenne is starting to have issues instead of upgrading to one of these rolling computers of the latest generation until reliability has caught up with the new tech. |
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This is not a technology deficit, since auto manufacturers reportedly have similar technologies in their vehicles with fewer (some would say no) issues than our G05s. In a few months, most of these issues will be behind us as BMW truly completes their G05 validation (which no doubt will take longer than if they'd waited to introduce the G05 as a 2020 model), and we can focus our energies on more important issues. That's my perspective, but of course your mileage may vary.
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Ah so I was right about the connector/rail being compromised. If the fuse actually /shorted/ it's possible there's damage beyond that too, the fuse is supposed to be there to protect against that sort of things in the first place!
That also explains all the rest of the issues, as the reason that fuse went was 'live' on the car for a while. Anything sensible to power fluctuation had a bit of a regular kicking in the nuts for a while. Think flash memory, hard drive. As far as tech goes, I think there is a problem with the underlying tech -- there is no redundancy, and no compartmenting of the various bits. I would HOPE that the antenna power supply wouldn't be the same as the one required to drive the car, but it seems it is. Basically the car is still wired like it's 1980, but with 2020 fragile tech on it.
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During the night, the battery packs cooled down and condensation formed and dripped into the batteries, shorting some out. I'm wondering if in fact the factory either forgot some protective covering somewhere, a condensate tube or? thereby allowing condensation to form where it shouldn't. Not sure where you are in Texas but some areas get quite humid, like HumidHuston :-) Just a thought. |
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quick update: they told me the car is done and once again they said "we are confident there won't be further issues.... " so it looks like I'll be picking it back up tomorrow. No explanation was given for how water ingress occured, what causes the instrument cluster to go out etc so I know there will only be more issues. I'll post the service ticket and emails as always
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I read their email differently and that they have already tracked down the source of the water. It was the antenna which was not replaced last time that was causing the water ingress.
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I'll post the full service order and the other one so you can see what was replaced
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